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dancity19 said:
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
BillyShears said:
He's a great architect. Unless he needs to build a building with more than one floor.

Absolutely tragic the way some people brush aside Mancini's incompetence in Europe as some inconsequential thing which isn't at all important.

Out of interest BS, how many campaigns has the man had in Europe?? Genuinely interested

I'd say the club in itself is far to wet behind the ears, however there's no doubt in my mind he'll win a champions league trophy within the next 6/7 years, the only problem is it probably won't be here!!!! A manager of his ilk improves because of the motivation they take from failure, he's made many mistakes this year granted but for achieving the ultimate goal of winning the league he should be afforded another crack, IMO he'll win the league if still here next year!!!!


I really don't understand this argument to be honest. How, as a club, can we be too inexperienced to perform well in the Champions League. I would understand if our players were equally 'wet behind the ears' as the club as a whole is. But they aren't?

So what is it that is holding us back.....the fact that us, as fans, are new to the champions league?

It just doesn't wash with me, we have World Cup winners, Euro winners, Europa League Cup winners, and Champions League Winners in our squad. They aren't wet behind the ears.

Why does the fact that Manchester City, as a name, are new to the Champions League, affect us. It didn't affect Harry Redknapp and Tottenham, and nor did it affect Napoli.

The argument just doesn't wash with me- we have a team of experienced players, who aren't wet behind the ears.

exactly, backroom staff with plenty of experience, players such as toure and silva who have played on the biggest of stages and a manager who has ad several seasons in the champions league.

i think the 2 groups were incredibly unlucky for us and if we get a lesser group this year, we'll go through IMO.

but why the fuck mancini won't buy pace i don't know.
 
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Fuck it-lets just go back to the Alan Ball,Stuart Pearce days of utter mediocracy and winning jack shit hey because Mancini has made a few mistakes in europe and against the blue dippers.

Mancini gets unwarranted abuse on here. I know many a rag who hopes he does get the chop because they know he has rattled Fergie and they think with a little more backing he will come strong again next year.
This year hasn't exactly been a disaster has it?

I would say if a straw poll was taken re Mancini the outers would be approx 10% and the inners 90%

I also know many more who are praying he stays!

Blue dippers, Red dippers, Sunderland, Stoke.. Got to go to Swansea yet!
 
Claytop said:
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Fuck it-lets just go back to the Alan Ball,Stuart Pearce days of utter mediocracy and winning jack shit hey because Mancini has made a few mistakes in europe and against the blue dippers.

Mancini gets unwarranted abuse on here. I know many a rag who hopes he does get the chop because they know he has rattled Fergie and they think with a little more backing he will come strong again next year.
This year hasn't exactly been a disaster has it?

I would say if a straw poll was taken re Mancini the outers would be approx 10% and the inners 90%

I also know many more who are praying he stays!

Blue dippers, Red dippers, Sunderland, Stoke.. Got to go to Swansea yet!

Drawing at Liverpool is not a bad result,yes losing at Sunderland and Everton perenially is most annoying but do these 2 games per season and a lack of cl knockout football really warrant a change of manager 3yrs into a 5yr project.
 
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Claytop said:
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Fuck it-lets just go back to the Alan Ball,Stuart Pearce days of utter mediocracy and winning jack shit hey because Mancini has made a few mistakes in europe and against the blue dippers.

Mancini gets unwarranted abuse on here. I know many a rag who hopes he does get the chop because they know he has rattled Fergie and they think with a little more backing he will come strong again next year.
This year hasn't exactly been a disaster has it?

I would say if a straw poll was taken re Mancini the outers would be approx 10% and the inners 90%

I also know many more who are praying he stays!

Blue dippers, Red dippers, Sunderland, Stoke.. Got to go to Swansea yet!

Drawing at Liverpool is not a bad result,yes losing at Sunderland and Everton prenially is most annoying but do these 2 games per season and a lack of cl knockout football really warrant a change of manager 3yrs into a 5yr project.
Surely you can see that consistantly failing in the champions league and consistantly failing in those fixtures shows that he cannot adjust his game and once plan A is found out that's it he's had it.
 
karen7 said:
the abuse he gets on here is out of order and i would hate to see what people would say if he had won us fuck all

I'm sure his 8 million a year pay cheque keeps him warm at night. Anyway it's not like he's been called a wage thieving **** who needs to be fucked off out of the club asap. Read that about a few players from some of the most hysterical Mancini in'ers. Seems what's good for the goose isn't good for the Italian gander ...
 
Paulmcfc2703 said:
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Claytop said:
I also know many more who are praying he stays!

Blue dippers, Red dippers, Sunderland, Stoke.. Got to go to Swansea yet!

Drawing at Liverpool is not a bad result,yes losing at Sunderland and Everton prenially is most annoying but do these 2 games per season and a lack of cl knockout football really warrant a change of manager 3yrs into a 5yr project.
Surely you can see that consistantly failing in the champions league and consistantly failing in those fixtures shows that he cannot adjust his game and once plan A is found out that's it he's had it.

I have highlighted the error..We have been in the champions league for all of 2 seasons..not 20 like the rags...How long did it take the rags to get out of the group stage??? We are not consistently failing,just having to failed for 2 seasons..Last year we were unlucky with 10pts..This yr was a fucking tough group and Dortmund/Madrid were always favourites to get through and they are still in the last 8.
patience is a virtue..Not many on here have it
 
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Claytop said:
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Fuck it-lets just go back to the Alan Ball,Stuart Pearce days of utter mediocracy and winning jack shit hey because Mancini has made a few mistakes in europe and against the blue dippers.

Mancini gets unwarranted abuse on here. I know many a rag who hopes he does get the chop because they know he has rattled Fergie and they think with a little more backing he will come strong again next year.
This year hasn't exactly been a disaster has it?

I would say if a straw poll was taken re Mancini the outers would be approx 10% and the inners 90%

I also know many more who are praying he stays!

Blue dippers, Red dippers, Sunderland, Stoke.. Got to go to Swansea yet!

Drawing at Liverpool is not a bad result,yes losing at Sunderland and Everton perenially is most annoying but do these 2 games per season and a lack of cl knockout football really warrant a change of manager 3yrs into a 5yr project.

Home and away and potentially outplayed.

Why do we have such a weakness against these teams?

The manager has to take the majority of the blame for that.
 
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Fuck it-lets just go back to the Alan Ball,Stuart Pearce days of utter mediocracy and winning jack shit hey because Mancini has made a few mistakes in europe and against the blue dippers.

Mancini gets unwarranted abuse on here. I know many a rag who hopes he does get the chop because they know he has rattled Fergie and they think with a little more backing he will come strong again next year.
This year hasn't exactly been a disaster has it?

I would say if a straw poll was taken re Mancini the outers would be approx 10% and the inners 90%

Firstly, how ridiculous to suggest sacking Mancini would take us back to the days of ball and Pearce! With comments like that how to you expect to be taken seriously? If anything, a change would signal an upgrade on Mancini- this isn't to say I don't rate him, but we would be looking at the very best.

Secondly, I think this season has been relatively disastrous, taking into account what we should be achieving. FA cup may save the season though. But really, league and Europe have been pretty pitiful.

Thirdly, I don't think a poll would be that one sided. I think you will get a lot in the middle ground who do now question Mancini, and wouldn't necessarily oppose a change. Ultimately, Mancini may have won enough to buy him some time, but the same failings keep rearing their heads over and over again. He has to address these to succeed, but they may be too ingrained in his make up. I would love us to have a ferguson type manager who is with us for years, and for that to be Mancini, but ultimately, there is no point in stability for stability sake. If Mancini can't take us further, and has regressed this year, he may have to be moved on.
 
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Paulmcfc2703 said:
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Drawing at Liverpool is not a bad result,yes losing at Sunderland and Everton prenially is most annoying but do these 2 games per season and a lack of cl knockout football really warrant a change of manager 3yrs into a 5yr project.
Surely you can see that consistantly failing in the champions league and consistantly failing in those fixtures shows that he cannot adjust his game and once plan A is found out that's it he's had it.

I have highlighted the error..We have been in the champions league for all of 2 seasons..not 20 like the rags...How long did it take the rags to get out of the group stage??? We are not consistently failing,just having to failed for 2 seasons..Last year we were unlucky with 10pts..This yr was a fucking tough group and Dortmund/Madrid were always favourites to get through and they are still in the last 8.
patience is a virtue..Not many on here have it

i do
 
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