Mancini

[Anonymous]

I know his style of play is highly thought of but, to me, this wouldn't be an "upgrade" as such.

The very notion of "upgrade" is highly subjective. Is it judged on trophies, because then of all the names linked only Mourinho is an "upgrade" ...

If it's judged on trophies + man management success ... Klopp and Mourinho.

The truth is that if Txiki and Ferran have decided Mancini goes, they won't care one bit about what is perceived as an upgrade. These men passed up Mourinho for at the time a managerial novice in Guardiola. I'm sure they will comfortably back their own judgment over what the watching world or media wants or expects them to do. Even if it's to employ MP.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

I know his style of play is highly thought of but, to me, this wouldn't be an "upgrade" as such.

The very notion of "upgrade" is highly subjective. Is it judged on trophies, because then of all the names linked only Mourinho is an "upgrade" ...

If it's judged on trophies + man management success ... Klopp and Mourinho.

The truth is that if Txiki and Ferran have decided Mancini goes, they won't care one bit about what is perceived as an upgrade. These men passed up Mourinho for at the time a managerial novice in Guardiola. I'm sure they will comfortably back their own judgment over what the watching world or media wants or expects them to do. Even if it's to employ MP.

Well thank Fuck it won't happen.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Lets be honest we were beating Chelsea and Arsenal at home when Hughes was here.

In the odd game at home but not on a regular basis. Wins away at Arsenal and Spurs had been very rare also.

The two plausible criticisms of Mancini are his poor CL record (a fact) and that he falls out with people - including doctors and some players. Some argue this shows a lack of adapatabiliy but Khaldoon and the Sheikh knew we needed a stong character to challange the Rags. Yes our leadership needs to be flexible and this was shown in Roberto's mind games that battered Fergie and the Rags last year - as well as making mugs out of that great institution - the British press. Off course we had given up on the league.

To most fans who go to the game and sing his name (but vlearly mot all) these are more than offset at the moment by the domestic trophies we are winning. If we don't improve in the CL then no doubt the City hierarchy will review but please mo knee jerk reactions. As others have said, we are 2nd in the league and going to Wembley so there is plenty still to go for.

I personally think the most valid criticisms of Mancini are that he has not shown that he can adapt tactics even in cases where he has significant player superiority, that he hasn't show that he can get more out of a team than the sum of the parts, and that players consistently regress on his watch. I think most thinking critics accept that we had very tough CL groups and would accept the results, but do not accept just how poorly we played in critical matches, especially against Ajax and Napoli and Dortmund. Further valid criticisms include his insistence on bringing in certain staff and players who make no sense (Savic and Platt), and the debacles around Tevez and Balotelli. Some of us would argue that we won the league last year in spite of Mancini. That the team only started to play when he "gave up" and took the brakes off the best squad in the land. And yet, it still took luck and a moment of sublime player brilliance to win that final game.

I agree with your CL points Austin alhough you are wide of the mark with your title run in claims. Does the "luck" you refer to include the rags being awarded penalties - that led to wins - for the most blatant dives seen in the Premier League - or away players being sent off at the swamp for mystery offences.

Mancini's leadership was pivotal and rattled Baconface to the care. Time will tell whether your main criticisms of Roberto re adaptability (or lack of it) holds good. Roberto was lauded for making crucial subs at key stages last season and his options have been weakens this time round by weak transfers. Our options would have proved immeasurably with a Hazard or Sanchez in the squad to offer pace, width and goals.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

I know his style of play is highly thought of but, to me, this wouldn't be an "upgrade" as such.

The very notion of "upgrade" is highly subjective. Is it judged on trophies, because then of all the names linked only Mourinho is an "upgrade" ...

If it's judged on trophies + man management success ... Klopp and Mourinho.

The truth is that if Txiki and Ferran have decided Mancini goes, they won't care one bit about what is perceived as an upgrade. These men passed up Mourinho for at the time a managerial novice in Guardiola. I'm sure they will comfortably back their own judgment over what the watching world or media wants or expects them to do. Even if it's to employ MP.

Or even what BS wants or expects them to do - and keep Mancini!

 

[Marvin]

I know his style of play is highly thought of but, to me, this wouldn't be an "upgrade" as such.

The very notion of "upgrade" is highly subjective. Is it judged on trophies, because then of all the names linked only Mourinho is an "upgrade" ...

If it's judged on trophies + man management success ... Klopp and Mourinho.

The truth is that if Txiki and Ferran have decided Mancini goes, they won't care one bit about what is perceived as an upgrade. These men passed up Mourinho for at the time a managerial novice in Guardiola. I'm sure they will comfortably back their own judgment over what the watching world or media wants or expects them to do. Even if it's to employ MP.

If you are so in awe of their judgement, why not step back and leave them to it.

I'd rather mancini remains and City try and sign one top-class striker. That would make all the difference

if you look throughout the team, we have two top keepers, a fantastic defence (even given the injury to Kompany), a dominant midfield which is only going to improve now that Garcia has some games under his belt, and hopefully when Rodwell recovers. The only weakness is the forward line. If Aguero can fully recover and we can add a Falcao or a player at that level, then we can fight for the title again.

If you appoint a manager like Pellegrini it could all go to pot.

if the whole season collapses like a pack of cards, which is possible, then we will have no alternative but to change manager. I wish we could all devote our energies as supporters to getting behind the team instead of finding fault with what we have, even finding faults that aren't even there.

 

[OB1]

I know his style of play is highly thought of but, to me, this wouldn't be an "upgrade" as such.

The very notion of "upgrade" is highly subjective. Is it judged on trophies, because then of all the names linked only Mourinho is an "upgrade" ...

If it's judged on trophies + man management success ... Klopp and Mourinho.

The truth is that if Txiki and Ferran have decided Mancini goes, they won't care one bit about what is perceived as an upgrade. These men passed up Mourinho for at the time a managerial novice in Guardiola. I'm sure they will comfortably back their own judgment over what the watching world or media wants or expects them to do. Even if it's to employ MP.

The idea of Pellegrini still worries me. He is 59, I think, and has won the square root of bog all in Europe. I'm not well up on the guy but I know his track record. I know he chose juts the wrong season to take Real Madrid to record points haul etc. However, I would prefer if we were to go for an older manager that he had a track record of winning things. I accept that unless you get the chance to manage the right club(s) your chances of winning trophies is severely restricted but I would be more prepared to give latitude on that front to a young manager. I keep saying that I want someone exceptional to manage City. I thought at one point Mancini would prove to be exceptional but he has not and that is one reason why I have come to the point of advocating change. For the record, if Mancini stays and goes on to prove that he is in fact an exceptional manager, I will be delighted.

 

[jackrussel]

I've said all along that I think he should get another year and I can't help wondering what sort of season this might have been had the summer window gone the way Mancini wanted it to. I don't think we've been bad this season but neither have we hits the heights we did at times last year.Given the total exhilaration we all felt last year perhaps this season was always going to have an element of comedown about it. We hurt Utd and they have come out fighting and it seems we were not able to stay the pace this time around ( I can't totally give it up though...always the optimist) so if we end up with nothing or even a cup I still would like to see what Roberto could achieve with the type and quality of players he wants.

Surely one of the main reasons this is all being debated, is that RM was not backed in the summer. The question that needs answering, is why

FFP is the answer, the owners want a self sustaining club. We have enough resources in the existing squad to have won it again this season.

we finished level with united and they strenghened in the summer (van persie)and we went on holiday,we lost the league last summer 100 percent

 

[OB1]

I wish we could all devote our energies as supporters to getting behind the team instead of finding fault with what we have, even finding faults that aren't even there.

Marvin,

These are the kind of comments that some of us find increasingly tiresome. If you do not want to debate the manager's position, stay out of the debate, don't read the thread, don't devote your energies to it.

How many times does it need to be pointed out that when we go to the matches, we will give our energy to supporting the team. On here we are having a debate that will do absolutely nothing to impede the coaching staff and players from doing all that they need to to prepare for and win every game.

 

[Anonymous]

Or even what BS wants or expects them to do - and keep Mancini!

I'm pragmatic enough to understand there's a strong possibility Mancini will stay. Not something I'd be particularly overjoyed about considering I think the players desperately need a change but something I would completely understand.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I know his style of play is highly thought of but, to me, this wouldn't be an "upgrade" as such.

The very notion of "upgrade" is highly subjective. Is it judged on trophies, because then of all the names linked only Mourinho is an "upgrade" ...

If it's judged on trophies + man management success ... Klopp and Mourinho.

The truth is that if Txiki and Ferran have decided Mancini goes, they won't care one bit about what is perceived as an upgrade. These men passed up Mourinho for at the time a managerial novice in Guardiola. I'm sure they will comfortably back their own judgment over what the watching world or media wants or expects them to do. Even if it's to employ MP.

If you are so in awe of their judgement, why not step back and leave them to it.

I'd rather mancini remains and City try and sign one top-class striker. That would make all the difference

if you look throughout the team, we have two top keepers, a fantastic defence (even given the injury to Kompany), a dominant midfield which is only going to improve now that Garcia has some games under his belt, and hopefully when Rodwell recovers. The only weakness is the forward line. If Aguero can fully recover and we can add a Falcao or a player at that level, then we can fight for the title again.

If you appoint a manager like Pellegrini it could all go to pot.

if the whole season collapses like a pack of cards, which is possible, then we will have no alternative but to change manager. I wish we could all devote our energies as supporters to getting behind the team instead of finding fault with what we have, even finding faults that aren't even there.

The season has already collapsed like a pack of cards. And how exactly do we 'get behind the team' on a forum? Throw metaphorical flowers around and pretend all is rosy? This is not North Korea or the kippax, it's a discussion forum.

Maybe Mancini should think about 'getting behind the team' a bit more on match days instead of screaming 'fuck you' at them before fucking off home like a spoilt teenager, or berating them all in the press on an ongoing basis.