Mancini

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Perhaps you should take a look and see that the guy has won doodly squat in 10 years in Europe. Sorry forgot 2004 Intertoto Cup. Serious football credentials my arse.

Most memorable aspect of his time at Madrid a 4-1 loss to lowly Alcorcon in the Copa del Rey.

I know you want RM out but surely you and we could do much better. Pellegrini's "credentials" as you put it make Roberto's seem like Bob Paisley's.

You know how he trains?, you know his man-management?, you know his ideas?

I don't - maybe Begiristain does?

For me, it's about winning more than trophies, it is about creating an identity, a style of football, getting the squad to buy in to what your ideas are.

If it was just about trophies, I could have got that watching those twats across the road.

Guardiola never won a trophy as a manager until he was afforded a system put in place years previous.

Even Soriano, although I didn't like it, said in his comments the other day that teams can get lucky winning a one-off title.

If that's his and Begiristain's take on last season, then trophies will simply be a nice by-product of what they believe now has to be put in place.

Fair enough. But you and others want Mourinho. Why? Because his trophy cabinet is mightily impressive. Mancini's while not close to that is pretty good for a guy not yet 50.

Pelligrini is 60 and has won nothing of any consequence. Just pointing that out.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I have enjoyed watching Mourinho's teams. They have that mixture of sheer power, pace and tactical savvy.

It just so happens trophies have also landed in his lap at frightening regularity. I love his charisma and sheer audacity to stick two fingers up to the old guard.

I don't think Mourinho is coming here and Begiristain has blocked that notion.

I don't profess to know much about Pellegrini, outside of his lack of trophies, and one-season opportunity at Real.

He does strike me as someone who is highly-regarded in footballing circles by those who actually know him and can appreciate what he does.

Mancini has been very fortunate in his career to pick up some plum jobs, I do believe his previous reputation as a wonderful footballer initially opened up many doors for him?

I remember also thinking who the hell was this Wenger fella when he rocked up at Highbury, having been in Japan?

Admittedly, he came to them in his mid 40s, but it was clear very quickly that he was a real coup by the board, just as the money started to filter into that club.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm surprised so many think that what Txiki is doing would rule Mourinho out.

It's reverse psychology. ;-)

I think there's been a role reversal. Since Mancini's arrived I've never felt the time was right for Mourinho to join City - until now. Now is the time for me if it's ever going to happen. We can second guess all we like, but fundamentally my opinion is that nobody in their right mind would not at least seriously consider Mourinho. The question will be about whether Mourinho would rather swallow a bit of pride at Chelsea, or swallow a bit of pride at City. Neither club will give him carte blanche, but both clubs will give him the platform he desires in England. He is absolutely the guy to take City up another level, both in terms of success on the pitch, and perception in world football.

If they aren't considering him, then they have enormous cojones, even bigger than the ones they had when they gave Pep the Barca job. Either way I look forward to whatever change is coming.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Perhaps you should take a look and see that the guy has won doodly squat in 10 years in Europe. Sorry forgot 2004 Intertoto Cup. Serious football credentials my arse.

Most memorable aspect of his time at Madrid a 4-1 loss to lowly Alcorcon in the Copa del Rey.

I know you want RM out but surely you and we could do much better. Pellegrini's "credentials" as you put it make Roberto's seem like Bob Paisley's.

You know how he trains?, you know his man-management?, you know his ideas?

I don't - maybe Begiristain does?

For me, it's about winning more than trophies, it is about creating an identity, a style of football, getting the squad to buy in to what your ideas are.

If it was just about trophies, I could have got that watching those twats across the road.

Guardiola never won a trophy as a manager until he was afforded a system put in place years previous.

Even Soriano, although I didn't like it, said in his comments the other day that teams can get lucky winning a one-off title.

If that's his and Begiristain's take on last season, then trophies will simply be a nice by-product of what they believe now has to be put in place.

I'm pretty sure the new board are wanting to put a system in place and the hints are that Mancini is part of that plan.

And if that does turn out to be the case, in terms of implementing a new formation or style of play, then they do feel Mancini HAS been getting it wrong previously, but they still feel they can help him get it right.

 

[Anonymous]

then they do feel Mancini HAS been getting it wrong previously, but they still feel they can help him get it right.

Hope your tongue was planted firmly in your cheek when you posted that mate ... :)

 

[robbieh]

You know how he trains?, you know his man-management?, you know his ideas?

I don't - maybe Begiristain does?

For me, it's about winning more than trophies, it is about creating an identity, a style of football, getting the squad to buy in to what your ideas are.

If it was just about trophies, I could have got that watching those twats across the road.

Guardiola never won a trophy as a manager until he was afforded a system put in place years previous.

Even Soriano, although I didn't like it, said in his comments the other day that teams can get lucky winning a one-off title.

If that's his and Begiristain's take on last season, then trophies will simply be a nice by-product of what they believe now has to be put in place.

Fair enough. But you and others want Mourinho. Why? Because his trophy cabinet is mightily impressive. Mancini's while not close to that is pretty good for a guy not yet 50.

Pelligrini is 60 and has won nothing of any consequence. Just pointing that out.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I have enjoyed watching Mourinho's teams. They have that mixture of sheer power, pace and tactical savvy.

It just so happens trophies have also landed in his lap at frightening regularity. I love his charisma and sheer audacity to stick two fingers up to the old guard.

I don't think Mourinho is coming here and Begiristain has blocked that notion.

I don't profess to know much about Pellegrini, outside of his lack of trophies, and one-season opportunity at Real.

He does strike me as someone who is highly-regarded in footballing circles by those who actually know him and can appreciate what he does.

Mancini has been very fortunate in his career to pick up some plum jobs, I do believe his previous reputation as a wonderful footballer initially opened up many doors for him?

I remember also thinking who the hell was this Wenger fella when he rocked up at Highbury, having been in Japan?

Admittedly, he came to them in his mid 40s, but it was clear very quickly that he was a real coup by the board, just as the money started to filter into that club.

Mancini had done very well at Lazio and Fiorentina, on little money. Inter who hadn't won the league for 14 years and had fallen behind Milan and Juve in status took a punt on him.

They had had some 17 managers in 14 years prior to Roberto's arrival. He succeeded where the others failed.

 

[The Future's Blue]

And if that does turn out to be the case, in terms of implementing a new formation or style of play, then they do feel Mancini HAS been getting it wrong previously, but they still feel they can help him get it right.

I think it's more of 'Giving Mancini the Tools to get it Right' rather than Mancini getting it wrong.

We've come so far in such a short time that people are forgetting that a lot of our players were bought as an upgrade on the previous, moving us further forward in our attempts. Now we are there we need to maximise our strategies and only bring in those that 'fit the bill', as they say.

It's going to be good.

 

[cibaman]

Is Mancini wedded to a particular style or formation?

He played 4-4-2 in his first half season, 4-2-3-1 in 10/11, reverted back to 2 strikers last year. Played the infamous 3-5-2 at times (sometimes successfully!). He's been ultra defensive and ultra attacking at different times.

He seems to me to be more the type of manager that just wants good players and will then find a system to play them in.

I don't think he'll give a monkeys if all of the development teams play 4-3-3. Or if its considered to be our default system. I think he'd take his bat home if he were told that he always had to play it (which I think would be very unlikely) or if we passed over a world class player that he wanted solely because he wasnt a 4-3-3 player.

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[tolmie's hairdoo]

And if that does turn out to be the case, in terms of implementing a new formation or style of play, then they do feel Mancini HAS been getting it wrong previously, but they still feel they can help him get it right.

I think it's more of 'Giving Mancini the Tools to get it Right' rather than Mancini getting it wrong.

We've come so far in such a short time that people are forgetting that a lot of our players were bought as an upgrade on the previous, moving us further forward in our attempts. Now we are there we need to maximise our strategies and only bring in those that 'fit the bill', as they say.

It's going to be good.

This is what pisses me off mate, not just you directly. You can't have it all ends up.

How much money do you feel it actually takes in terms of equating it to having the right tools for the job?

What were the £50m plus Nasri and Dzeko upgrades on?

As someone else stated, we are now needing a compliant yes man.

Does Mancini strike you as this type of manager, an autocrat who thinks he is even more informed than the club medics and outside doctors.

Apparently Micah would be back in three weeks...

 

[Marvin]

And if that does turn out to be the case, in terms of implementing a new formation or style of play, then they do feel Mancini HAS been getting it wrong previously, but they still feel they can help him get it right.

I think it's more of 'Giving Mancini the Tools to get it Right' rather than Mancini getting it wrong.

We've come so far in such a short time that people are forgetting that a lot of our players were bought as an upgrade on the previous, moving us further forward in our attempts. Now we are there we need to maximise our strategies and only bring in those that 'fit the bill', as they say.

It's going to be good.

This is what pisses me off mate, not just you directly. You can't have it all ends up.

How much money do you feel it actually takes in terms of equating it to having the right tools for the job?

What were the £50m plus Nasri and Dzeko upgrades on?

As someone else stated, we are now needing a compliant yes man.

Does Mancini strike you as this type of manager, an autocrat who thinks he is even more informed than the club medics and outside doctors.

Apparently Micah would be back in three weeks...

Scraping the barrel now. He isn't playing is he, so the manager has deferred to the doctors

 

[simon23]

Maybe I'm being a bit nieve here but is anyone else not a bit worried about the possibility if having these 2 possibly influencing playing styles/tactics/formation.....surely that should be the sole job of manager and coaches.....not others....

Ferguson I presume doesn't work this way, neither does Wenger.....???????

Regardless who is manager, tactics should be left to whoever that is and his coaching staff...surely??????