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The Future's Blue said:
Do people really see Pellegrini as a realistic option?

Wouldn't you prefer Mourinho?
Would prefer the special one but maybe that door is closed. Pellegrin,i well his is very reallistic In the end, his achievements were too good, every club was now after him and the rumours started to fly around, he shad this to say come the end of his last season: “Nobody from Real Madrid has spoken with me. I have a contract with Villarreal, we finished the league today, and tomorrow we go on holiday,”

The start of the following season and he was now Real Madrid manager
 
The Future's Blue said:
Do people really see Pellegrini as a realistic option?

Wouldn't you prefer Mourinho?


If Mancini goes, I'd see Pellegrini as an option but I'm not sure where to place him in terms of priority. I still wouldn't sack Mancini just to get Pellegrini in but, for where I believe City want to go, a parting of the ways with him is probably the best solution.

I know exactly where I'd prioritise Mourinho.
 
The Future's Blue said:
Do people really see Pellegrini as a realistic option?

Wouldn't you prefer Mourinho?

I think he's the most realistic option should we part ways with Mancini. The only thing counting against him is his age.
 
curious thing about the mancini in out debate is the way its ignores the man own movements wonder who he's tapping up with a view to a new club in the summer ? he has plenty of form on this sort of behaviour . and the obvious point that a very wise club will be equally positive in mitigating that risk by looking for an alternative


that's where the the real decision should be located not whether blue moan wants to keep him or not

he has not done well this season and I suspect that sustainability of mangers delivers in 50% of cases as does chopping and changing so those arguments cancel each other out


I reckon he'll be gone through choice and create an opening for a new guy
 
Andouble said:
The Future's Blue said:
Do people really see Pellegrini as a realistic option?

Wouldn't you prefer Mourinho?

I think he's the most realistic option should we part ways with Mancini. The only thing counting against him is his age.
But what if we got Kloppy after maybe 2 seasons with pellegrini.......then age aint a problem.
 
BluessinceHydeRoad said:
This thread is getting silly. The club is owned by a fabulously wealthy business man/group who bought a club which, he found, had ex-managers in every broom cupboard, had no HR department, so didn't know which staff were in work and which were on holiday. It had been so well run that many fans missed most of the first half of the match while they bought their ticket. The new board set about running the club on sound business lines and making it efficient and effective. New personnel were brought in, and many of them became instantly unpopular with some posters.

Mr Begiristain was appointed director of football. Old habits die hard and many supporters love to speculate on the "agenda" new appointments bring to the club. This is usually seen in terms of conflict and intrigue and so Messrs Begiristain and Soriano must be part of some Spanish plot to chuck out the Italian and bring in another Spaniard, or at least an Iberian. A pity there are no Borgias left. But then they're Italian. But City must surely be run on the old lines of plot and intrigue, rivalry and enmity. And the Daily Mail has just told us that the "agenda" of increasing his own power is what drives Mr Begiristain on! In fact, he behaves just like a power mad teacher.

Now for those who have trouble the role of a director of football is actually to "direct", in the sense of giving a direction, to the football of the club. In our case a club which is investing £150 million in training facilities. The declared aim of which is so that the club can produce, at minimal cost, its own "stars of the future". How bizarre then that the "director of football" wants to know what's going on in these facilities. Presumably it would be unsatisfactory if young players were told to run round one of the pitches 25 times and then to "have a game"! City want to get young kids and take them through to shine in the PL, but this won't happen without careful planning and top quality coaching. So you bet Begiristain wants reports on exactly what the coaches are up to. And he will ant to ensure "progression" - it would make no sense if the 21 year olds were doing ecactly the same as the 15 year olds! So what is done and how does it make the lads better than they were?

The point is that this is not an attempt to squeeze Mancini out. We know that Soriano and Begiristain were ruthless at Barcelona when they felt change was necessary and so it may well be possible that there will be change, of some kind, in this summer, next summer, whenever. But the reports of Mr Begiristain's activities as reported in the Mail tell us only about the efforts made to ensure that the new facilities are used to get "the kids" to play the way the club wants and helps to take them from 15 year olds to those playing at top PL standard.

So, don't expect the Etihad to be littered with corpses dripping blood from the stab wounds to their backs any time soon.

As always mate great post..
 
bluemcr said:
Andouble said:
The Future's Blue said:
Do people really see Pellegrini as a realistic option?

Wouldn't you prefer Mourinho?

I think he's the most realistic option should we part ways with Mancini. The only thing counting against him is his age.
But what if we got Kloppy after maybe 2 seasons with pellegrini.......then age aint a problem.

Age isn't too much of a concern because whoever takes over isn't going to be here 10 years. Those Ferguson/Wenger situations are completely unique situations and I don't think will happen again in this day and age of football.

Even Guardiola, the most effective manager, decided he couldn't hold his post for that long.

Pellegrini or someone for 3 years is fine because in that time an AVB, Laudrup, etc might be ready for a chance at a top club.
 
Andouble said:
The Future's Blue said:
Do people really see Pellegrini as a realistic option?

Wouldn't you prefer Mourinho?

I think he's the most realistic option should we part ways with Mancini. The only thing counting against him is his age.

He is older than I would ideally like the next City manager to be and I do have a concern that he has reached that age without winning a notable trophy in a domestic European or UEFA competition. I know he did well a Villarreal, came close in his one season at Madrid etc, but I'd like to know that the next City manager is a proven winner. I don't think it means he won't win things at City if he were to get the job but I'd like to know that he can.
 
The whole thing in this debate is how easy it is for some supporters to besmirch a manager. This isn't anything new but it's been going on since Hughes sacking/Mancini's appointment.

In his first half season we went from virtual no hopers to get a CL spot to us fighting it out until the 2nd last game of the season. This was after fans were unhappy about his appointment (especially the way it went about) which carried on after the season closed.

The following season, we had more of the same before we went on to win our first piece of silverware in 35 years and our inaugural run in the CL. That should have gone some way to prove doubters wrong?

Last season, the same old came up at the first opportunity and was perpetuated after the Arsenal game. The doubters were out in force but were soon to be proved wrong after turning the season around against no other than the team we would eventually pip to the title. Surely the doubters had been bought by now?

And now, here we are again, the teapot spinning happily on it's wheel. Mancini has proved he can do it, he's shown in his short time that he can bring tangible success to a club that was starved of anything but. One season, that's not quite finished and we lie in a very respectable position in the league with a chance of more silverware. Yet he is being given no chance of turning the corner?

Season on season we've seen tangible success, real-time progression and trophies in the cupboard. Mancini has proved time and time again that he can adapt and overcome, in the face of adversity and challenge, and put our club at the pinnacle of English football, pushing for top honours. Yet we don't give him time, we say thank you and goodbye?

Not for me thanks chaps, I'll keep my sense of entitlement in check and have patience in somebody who has proved he has what it takes.

Maybe, you never know, we might get the likes of Cluj and Braga in next seasons CL. If Mancini fails that then I'll be with you, but some how, I don't think that will be the case.

Forza Mancini, Forza City.
 
grim up north said:
Lancet Fluke said:
BluessinceHydeRoad said:
So let's show a bit of patience, get a bit of perspective and, for some of the posters on this forum, to stop deluding themselves they can actually do better than Mancini. They can't, they never will and taking shots at our manager when they'll never be called to account is cheap.

Is the implication of this that a supporter shouldn't criticise Mancini if he or she isn't a better football manager himself/herself? Has the argument really become that facile?


What amuses me is the people who criticise Mancini man management style, his tactical now how will tappy lappy into work on a Monday doff their cap tug their forelock and say "yes sir no sir three bags full sir" to their employers and managers. Won't question their managers decisions and just get on with their jobs

What possible relevance does this have to anything?!
 
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