Mancini

[bernabias home shirt]

I note with interest that there were no replies to my post asking for truly honest lists of replacement managers, its funny that dont you think?

I didn't answer cos I was out last night but I will now.

My ideal choice has gone to Munich so, currently, I'd plump for:

Mourinho
Klopp
Wenger (with Paddy as his one of his key assistants).

 

[80s Shorts]

I note with interest that there were no replies to my post asking for truly honest lists of replacement managers, its funny that dont you think?

Perhaps the problem is that, as I alluded to in that post, the very managers that the majority crave (not just the outers) are the same managers that wont be coming.

So accepting the logic that the preferred choice for next manager wont be coming the insistance that Mancini is going to be fired for this reason or that is completely debased isnt it?

The same would not doubt go for the conversations that may, or may not, have gone on within MCFC.

The new D o F and Chief Exec' recommend to the board that we need a new manager and that the evidence is offered for why. The board grudgingly accept the premise and ask for a list of alternatives.

The list is much the same list as we all would offer up -

Pep
Jose
Klopp
FdeB
MP

Etc.

So, you want us to move Mancini out and yet now we can only get your fourth choice replacement at best. Lets not do that then boys.

Now lets say that the reason for the need to move Mancini is because some players dont like him. Ha! We are now officially on Chelsea territory and I seriously suspect that even the D o F would back the manager because otherwise his own position moving forward is entirely based on players being nice.

I hear rumours that the BIG issue is that the club captain undermined the manager of his clubs instructions not to play for his country after a long lay off.

It may just be paper talk of course and all is now OK so therefore we move on, but Tolm' hints at it being a bigger problem than that and my response is - if it comes to a straight choice between a manager who is difficult to replace and a player who behaves in such a manner then I sell the player because he is simply the easiest to replace.

Kompany out and Hummels in seems like a much more manageable response than Mancini out and perhaps a fourth or fifth choice replacement coming in.

Is that not the second time you've posted essentially the same thing in this thread? Or a very similar thing in one of the other managerial merry go round threads, probably the Mourinho one. I'm sure it was discussed at the time.

Only the 2nd time ?

There are certain posters in this thread that have posted the same shit 20 or 30 times at least.

 

[Andouble]

I don't like player power, but Kompany as both player and captain is much harder to replace than Mancini.

 

[moomba]

Mancini has no leg to stand on, he was just trying to be clever and it failed.

Would have been very comforting if VK had re-done his injury.

I would hate our manager to discourage people from playing for their country. But this is a very different situation, and IMO he was certainly justified in being a bit pissed off about it.

If Mancini being pissed off about it is going to end up in Vinny leaving he has a very different personality than I imagined.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Mancini has no leg to stand on, he was just trying to be clever and it failed.

Would have been very comforting if VK had re-done his injury.

I would hate our manager to discourage people from playing for their country. But this is a very different situation, and IMO he was certainly justified in being a bit pissed off about it.

If Mancini being pissed off about it is going to end up in Vinny leaving he has a very different personality than I imagined.

Vinnie was declared fit, end of discussion.

We may not like it with our club's own interests at heart but they're the rules that everyone apart from Fergie has to adhere to so Mancini has to get on with it.

 

[moomba]

Wenger's winning percentage in European competition is worse than Mancini who apparently is the worst manager European competition has ever seen.<br /><br />-- Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:54 pm --<br /><br />

We may not like it with our club's own interests at heart but they're the rules that everyone apart from Fergie has to adhere to so Mancini has to get on with it.

I'd prefer he continue to look after the clubs interests.

 

[FantasyIreland]

I have a few issues with Mancini,however,one of my main problems is with the squad he has built and the money he has needed to spend in doing so.

I don't believe he has bought particularly wisely,he has purchased expensive individual talent and attempted to make them fit into a unit rather than finding players that,while not having the superstar tag,would have better complimented each other,provided more fluidity and balanced our squad better.

Obviously when all are fit,and we can predominantly rely on a team of 13 or so players,this has worked,however,when we have to dig deeper into the squad we come up a bit short through lack of options,poor 'fits' and lesser quality.

Subsequently,this has caused us to struggle when our A game has either been unavailable or teams have set up to combat it.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Wenger's winning percentage in European competition is worse than Mancini who apparently is the worst manager European competition has ever seen.

-- Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:54 pm --

We may not like it with our club's own interests at heart but they're the rules that everyone apart from Fergie has to adhere to so Mancini has to get on with it.

I'd prefer he continue to look after the clubs interests.

well he will, but Vinnie's international requirements are not his place nor business once Vinnie is declared fit.

 

[moomba]

well he will, but Vinnie's international requirements are not his place nor business once Vinnie is declared fit.

Strongly disagree, and I suspect we won't convince each other to change our minds.

As I said before I would never want us to do what the rags do pulling players out of international competition all the time. But these are very different circumstances and I expect any manager of ours to remind any player who pays his salary in those circumstances.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

well he will, but Vinnie's international requirements are not his place nor business once Vinnie is declared fit.

Strongly disagree, and I suspect we won't convince each other to change our minds.

As I said before I would never want us to do what the rags do pulling players out of international competition all the time. But these are very different circumstances and I expect any manager of ours to remind any player who pays his salary in those circumstances.

Vinnie can't refuse a call-up and he was declared fit, he has to go and play.

Thus nobody has done anything wrong other than Mancini for having a go when he tried to get away with keeping Vinnie rested for our next game(which is fair enough to try) but it backfired and Vinnie did as he had to, doesn't matter who pays his wages. They're not very different circumstances at all, Mancini was just trying it on to suit his own plan and it didn't work for him. Take it on the chin and move on Roberto.

 

[Bluemoon115]

well he will, but Vinnie's international requirements are not his place nor business once Vinnie is declared fit.

Strongly disagree, and I suspect we won't convince each other to change our minds.

As I said before I would never want us to do what the rags do pulling players out of international competition all the time. But these are very different circumstances and I expect any manager of ours to remind any player who pays his salary in those circumstances.

What was Kompany supposed to do following his "reminder"?

Not playing would have broken rules, and lead to sanctions for both him and City.

Obviously you wouldn't suggest he tell his international manager what to do, how long to play him etc, that would be insubordination, which you reminded us earlier, is wrong.

 

[Utter bobbins]

well he will, but Vinnie's international requirements are not his place nor business once Vinnie is declared fit.

Strongly disagree, and I suspect we won't convince each other to change our minds.

As I said before I would never want us to do what the rags do pulling players out of international competition all the time. But these are very different circumstances and I expect any manager of ours to remind any player who pays his salary in those circumstances.

What was Kompany supposed to do following his "reminder"?

Not playing would have broken rules, and lead to sanctions for both him and City.

Obviously you wouldn't suggest he tell his international manager what to do, how long to play him etc, that would be insubordination, which you reminded us earlier, is wrong.

Would have been different if it had been a knock in the preceding game but he had been out for six weeks. I suspect most would have been as pissed off as Mancini if he had broken down with the same injury. What would people have thought if was out for another six weeks would they be as lenient with the Belguim manager and medical staff I'm damned sure Vidic wouldn't have played if he had been in same situation

 

[bondsman]

Strongly disagree, and I suspect we won't convince each other to change our minds.

As I said before I would never want us to do what the rags do pulling players out of international competition all the time. But these are very different circumstances and I expect any manager of ours to remind any player who pays his salary in those circumstances.

What was Kompany supposed to do following his "reminder"?

Not playing would have broken rules, and lead to sanctions for both him and City.

Obviously you wouldn't suggest he tell his international manager what to do, how long to play him etc, that would be insubordination, which you reminded us earlier, is wrong.

Would have been different if it had been a knock in the preceding game but he had been out for six weeks. I suspect most would have been as pissed off as Mancini if he had broken down with the same injury. What would people have thought if was out for another six weeks would they be as lenient with the Belguim manager and medical staff I'm damned sure Vidic wouldn't have played if he had been in same situation

Exactly if ferguson says you're not playing they don't play

 

[Bluemoon115]

Strongly disagree, and I suspect we won't convince each other to change our minds.

As I said before I would never want us to do what the rags do pulling players out of international competition all the time. But these are very different circumstances and I expect any manager of ours to remind any player who pays his salary in those circumstances.

What was Kompany supposed to do following his "reminder"?

Not playing would have broken rules, and lead to sanctions for both him and City.

Obviously you wouldn't suggest he tell his international manager what to do, how long to play him etc, that would be insubordination, which you reminded us earlier, is wrong.

Would have been different if it had been a knock in the preceding game but he had been out for six weeks. I suspect most would have been as pissed off as Mancini if he had broken down with the same injury. What would people have thought if was out for another six weeks would they be as lenient with the Belguim manager and medical staff I'm damned sure Vidic wouldn't have played if he had been in same situation

So what has Kompany done wrong?

What should have been done differently?

People don't have an issue with Mancini blaming the Belgian coaching staff. But his comment about "Kompany knows he has done wrong", when he had fuck all say in the matter, is madness.

 

[moomba]

What was Kompany supposed to do following his "reminder"?

Not playing would have broken rules, and lead to sanctions for both him and City.

Obviously you wouldn't suggest he tell his international manager what to do, how long to play him etc, that would be insubordination, which you reminded us earlier, is wrong.

He'll make his own decisions.

But he shouldn't be too surprised if his manager doesn't give him a kiss and a cuddle about it on his return. I'm sure he wasn't.

 

[Bluemoon115]

What was Kompany supposed to do following his "reminder"?

Not playing would have broken rules, and lead to sanctions for both him and City.

Obviously you wouldn't suggest he tell his international manager what to do, how long to play him etc, that would be insubordination, which you reminded us earlier, is wrong.

He'll make his own decisions.

But he shouldn't be too surprised if his manager doesn't give him a kiss and a cuddle about it on his return. I'm sure he wasn't.

Again I'll ask, what did Kompany do wrong, and what should ha have done differently?

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

What was Kompany supposed to do following his "reminder"?

Not playing would have broken rules, and lead to sanctions for both him and City.

Obviously you wouldn't suggest he tell his international manager what to do, how long to play him etc, that would be insubordination, which you reminded us earlier, is wrong.

He'll make his own decisions.

But he shouldn't be too surprised if his manager doesn't give him a kiss and a cuddle about it on his return. I'm sure he wasn't.

Well you're evidently not listening and not prepared to understand international football rules.

Not much point discussing it further.

 

[Utter bobbins]

What was Kompany supposed to do following his "reminder"?

Not playing would have broken rules, and lead to sanctions for both him and City.

Obviously you wouldn't suggest he tell his international manager what to do, how long to play him etc, that would be insubordination, which you reminded us earlier, is wrong.

Would have been different if it had been a knock in the preceding game but he had been out for six weeks. I suspect most would have been as pissed off as Mancini if he had broken down with the same injury. What would people have thought if was out for another six weeks would they be as lenient with the Belguim manager and medical staff I'm damned sure Vidic wouldn't have played if he had been in same situation

So what has Kompany done wrong?

What should have been done differently?

People don't have an issue with Mancini blaming the Belgian coaching staff. But his comment about "Kompany knows he has done wrong", when he had fuck all say in the matter, is madness.

I think Vidic would have said to his international manager boss I'm not ready after the warning from his club manager

 

[Bluemoon115]

Would have been different if it had been a knock in the preceding game but he had been out for six weeks. I suspect most would have been as pissed off as Mancini if he had broken down with the same injury. What would people have thought if was out for another six weeks would they be as lenient with the Belguim manager and medical staff I'm damned sure Vidic wouldn't have played if he had been in same situation

So what has Kompany done wrong?

What should have been done differently?

People don't have an issue with Mancini blaming the Belgian coaching staff. But his comment about "Kompany knows he has done wrong", when he had fuck all say in the matter, is madness.

I think Vidic would have said to his international manager boss I'm not ready after the warning from his club manager

And then the manager wants to play him anyway.

What does he do then?

 

[moomba]

Again I'll ask, what did Kompany do wrong, and what should ha have done differently?

If he'd told the manager he wasn't going to play he shouldn't have played.