SWP's back said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
I do support him. I support him 100% over Tevez as I've said already. Where have I said I don't? That's a very lazy and simplistic post of yours as well as twisting facts to suit your agenda.
Bridge was identified as one of the group of players who went to see Cook to demand Mancini's sacking early in his tenure. That's a fact whether you like it or not and he's been on shit street since then. You mean early days as in the day Hughes was sacked? So not a problem with Mancini just a problem with the way Hughes was sacked
I accept there probably wasn't a personal problem between SWP & Mancini (so why type anything else about SWP then. There was no issue) but his dad was causing problems and there was friction between Wright and the club (as proven by the Onuoha email incident) and they clearly were fed up of it and weren't going to offer SWP a new contract. I've been one of the most critical of SWP's abilities and said as much in an earlier post so I think it's a bit of both with SWP. Not quite good enough plus troublemaking father.
Bellamy's just an awkward sod (Again, you could have stopped that debate there and then) but a good player and he was a victim of the "my way or the highway" approach of Mancini. They fell out over training and that's another well-established fact. Onuoha was daft to make public comments about Mancini on TV and was frozen out after that( so once again, not really Mancini's fault. Onuoha gamblem Bobby was going and lost the bet). Interestingly it took a refusal to play for him to finally freeze out Tevez and Balotelli has had a few chances after potentially blowing it. So it clearly helps if you're a decent player in his eyes. Nothing wrong with that
We know that he doesn't have a lot of interaction with players. I thought not personally telling players that they were out and texting them to train with the youngsters was piss poor on RM's part. He should have had the guts to tell them where they stood face-to-face but he doesn't apparently talk much to players off the training ground. That's not the way I'd do it if I wanted the respect of my players but he's the manager so it's his choice and he'll stand or fall by that.
The thing that made Malcolm Allison a great coach was that he knew how to deal with each player as an individual. Some like Neil Young were often short of confidence and needed an arm round the shoulder to gee them up. Mike Summerbee needed to be riled to get a positive reaction so Mal would be aggressive and confrontational. Colin Bell needed very little interaction from him.
Baconface is a ruthless manager but equally knows when to be supportive of players having problems. And that's how he gets the best out of them.
Mancini like me, you and everyone, has strengths and weaknesses and people pointing out what they believe are weaknesses on a message board where we express opinions are not undermining him. Being blind to potential weaknesses may suit you but it's not my style. I get well paid for looking at problems from all angles and challenging people who I think are wrong. His strengths may well see us very successful but his weaknesses could see us fail and him out of a job. Like quite a few others on here I see players who don't appear to give their all more often than I'd like and can't seem to rouse themselves to come back from being a goal down. That's worth questioning in my eyes.
But I'll be at Ewood Park on Saturday giving the team and Mancini my full support. However once the whistle blows for full-time then I'll continue questioning anything I see as wrong.
The last two paragraphs are fair enough.
LOL. we're getting somewhere then if there's two paragraphs of mine you agree with.
I think the point is that Mancini has, up to a point, the luxury in his management career of being able to ship out players who don't fully match his vision and get others in. If he was managing in League 2, he'd be stuck with what he had and would have to make the most of it.
But even at this level you sometimes have to work with players who perhaps aren't your ideal, at least until you've been in the job a few years like Wenger or Moyes. I'd also say, in Mancini's defence, that the players should just knuckle down and get on with it instead of mouthing off. Two people may not like each other but there's nothing to stop them having respect for each other.
But if a majority of the players don't respect the manager then whatever we may say about the manager being the boss, then there's only one pragmatic outcome.
If you're old enough to remember Ron Saunders, he was perhaps the best example of that. He wasn't respected by the City players and was forced out but then went on to build a title and European Cup winning side at Villa. Who was right and who was wrong in that one? After nearly 40 years I'm still not sure.
