Mancini's future

[WNRH]

Just as I thought. Unconditional support for our manager. I was just teasing as I don't need to look. Your criticism of him was vitriolic and abusive and you did your best to undermine him.

Yet you have the gall to criticise me for saying (like others on here are saying) that I'm a little worried that his character trait of being pretty dogmatic and not being flexible enough in dealing with different players who need to be managed in different ways might be the downfall of him.

The difference being PB is that both SWP's BACK and robbieh might not have used every slip up as an opportunity to have a dig like you do?

Now you're taking the piss.

Only seeing it as i see it. I notice you didn't bring up his man management skills when we were flying at the start of the season, or when we won the FA Cup?

 

[bluefandk]

There will be a big investigation by the hierarchy, and once that's over we'll see who they back. I for one want them to back Mancini, but I do have a niggling doubt about Tevez's statement that he was questioning going for another warm up, not questioning going on. I don't know, but for some reason I find myself believing him. Maybe Mancini misunderstood what Tevez was saying and went off on one - who hasn't said or done something in the heat of the moment, and then afterwards regretted it. If it did turn out that Mancini had misread it, then it is a difficult situation for the board. Lots and lots of twists and turns in this saga yet.

This would have been a great exit/excuse for Tevez, if it wasn't for the statement he made right after the match. He (finally) buggered himself in the end, and that's about it.

Having said that, for the club to have any reasonable chance of challenging the likes of Bayern and ManU, let alone Barca/Real for the PL/EL silverware, it needs to get rid of both Mancini and Tevez, not necessarily in that chronological order. Hopefully not by bringing Mourinho or anyone alike, but someone who's settled, has man management skills, knows how to build and manage a team at that level, has an aura of natural authority (i.e. knows what he's doing and is capable of communicating that to the players), etc.

Let me understand you correctly, Tevez refuses to play and you want the board to sack Mancini?

I thank Allah that you have no say in any matter relating to the club.

 

[nijinskybell]

There will be a big investigation by the hierarchy, and once that's over we'll see who they back. I for one want them to back Mancini, but I do have a niggling doubt about Tevez's statement that he was questioning going for another warm up, not questioning going on. I don't know, but for some reason I find myself believing him. Maybe Mancini misunderstood what Tevez was saying and went off on one - who hasn't said or done something in the heat of the moment, and then afterwards regretted it. If it did turn out that Mancini had misread it, then it is a difficult situation for the board. Lots and lots of twists and turns in this saga yet.

This would have been a great exit/excuse for Tevez, if it wasn't for the statement he made right after the match. He (finally) buggered himself in the end, and that's about it.

Having said that, for the club to have any reasonable chance of challenging the likes of Bayern and ManU, let alone Barca/Real for the PL/EL silverware, it needs to get rid of both Mancini and Tevez, not necessarily in that chronological order. Hopefully not by bringing Mourinho or anyone alike, but someone who's settled, has man management skills, knows how to build and manage a team at that level, has an aura of natural authority (i.e. knows what he's doing and is capable of communicating that to the players), etc.

And there are so many obvious candidates that - well - err - I can't think of one.

And Tevez shot himself in the foot with his comments about not being mentally or physically ready.

 

[BillCarlisle]

This won't be looked at as simply "Mancini vs Tevez" by City.

Both have made mistakes in this saga, Tevez much more than Mancini, but the board will still give Mancini a dressing down for his gaff in the conference.

Do you honestly think that Mourinho, Guardiola, Ferguson and yes even Redknapp have said any different. We are not talking about a stupid sending off, or swearing at a ref. We are talking something that no player to my knowledge has ever done before. He would never play for Mourinho again and Jose would have no hesitation in stating his live on tv.

You are right. Any self respecting Manager would have done exactly the same.
Bobby Manc simply told the truth. No way is he going to tolerate any player refusing instructions from the bench. No gaff, simply a statement of fact.
He's the Boss.

This has never happened before at this level. Bobby Manc made it quite clear that it must never happen again at City. Never.

In truth, what he said was clearly what the vast majority of Blues were feeling at the time. Tevez has gone his distance at City.

 

[Bluemoon115]

This won't be looked at as simply "Mancini vs Tevez" by City.

Both have made mistakes in this saga, Tevez much more than Mancini, but the board will still give Mancini a dressing down for his gaff in the conference.

and what gaff was this?

From a legal standpoint, saying he'll "never play for the club again" gives Tevez (or more likely, Kia) a foot to stand on. A public declaration to stop a person from plying their trade can be interpreted as a breach of contract.

I agree that he shouldn't play again, but to say it publicly was rather naive, and could cost City in any legal battle.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

you really do like making "oh but let's starting worrying/panicking about nothing" threads.

 

[robbieh]

He needed sacking. He wasn't the man to lead us.

Around the time of the 3-0 home defeat to Forest was when I thought Hughes was not up to the job. OK so he'd only been in the job for 7 months.

Just as I thought. Unconditional support for our manager. I was just teasing as I don't need to look. Your criticism of him was vitriolic and abusive and you did your best to undermine him.

Yet you have the gall to criticise me for saying (like others on here are saying) that I'm a little worried that his character trait of being pretty dogmatic and not being flexible enough in dealing with different players who need to be managed in different ways might be the downfall of him.

He had only been in the job for 7 months but we had been in the relegation zone and knocked out of both cups by Brighton and Forest, who correct me if I am wrong were in the third tier at the time.

You have been far more than worried by Mancini. I would say you have disliked him and his tactics intensely at times.

Where we differ on the two managers is that RM immediately steadied the ship and showed me he knew what he was doing. As you might expect from someone with his record of managerial success. It is sometimes forgotten on here that managing Internazionale is not as easy as all that. The last three managers there have lasted less than a year.

It's a bit like strikers. If el Kun goes through a lean patch, you'd give him the benefit of the doubt due to his record at the highest level. A striker like Samaras you probably wouldn't.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

The difference being PB is that both SWP's BACK and robbieh might not have used every slip up as an opportunity to have a dig like you do?

Now you're taking the piss.

Only seeing it as i see it. I notice you didn't bring up his man management skills when we were flying at the start of the season, or when we won the FA Cup?

Always had my doubts about them but as I've said already, if his many strengths outweigh his weaknesses then we'll do well and I'll celebrate our successes under him.

In fact it's a bit like Tevez or Bellamy really. When they're playing well and scoring we overlook their foibles don't we. But we know they exist and at some point might lead them into destructive behaviour.

Anyway, this is all nonsense as I'll be 100% behind him on Saturday and that's all that counts.

 

[MCFC 4 EVER]

This will make Robbie stronger if anything

 

[SWP's back]

He needed sacking. He wasn't the man to lead us.

Around the time of the 3-0 home defeat to Forest was when I thought Hughes was not up to the job. OK so he'd only been in the job for 7 months.

Just as I thought. Unconditional support for our manager. I was just teasing as I don't need to look. Your criticism of him was vitriolic and abusive and you did your best to undermine him.

Yet you have the gall to criticise me for saying (like others on here are saying) that I'm a little worried that his character trait of being pretty dogmatic and not being flexible enough in dealing with different players who need to be managed in different ways might be the downfall of him.

Difference is that I didn't hate him from day one to prove a point and right a petceived wrong.

In fact I did look back and was unequivocal in my backing of Hughes until the end of that run of draws. You simply backed the wrong horse twice. Good job you're not a gambling man.


So I gave him 18 months which is more than fair. Can you say that? No you can't.<br /><br />-- Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:04 pm --<br /><br />

There will be a big investigation by the hierarchy, and once that's over we'll see who they back. I for one want them to back Mancini, but I do have a niggling doubt about Tevez's statement that he was questioning going for another warm up, not questioning going on. I don't know, but for some reason I find myself believing him. Maybe Mancini misunderstood what Tevez was saying and went off on one - who hasn't said or done something in the heat of the moment, and then afterwards regretted it. If it did turn out that Mancini had misread it, then it is a difficult situation for the board. Lots and lots of twists and turns in this saga yet.

This would have been a great exit/excuse for Tevez, if it wasn't for the statement he made right after the match. He (finally) buggered himself in the end, and that's about it.

Having said that, for the club to have any reasonable chance of challenging the likes of Bayern and ManU, let alone Barca/Real for the PL/EL silverware, it needs to get rid of both Mancini and Tevez, not necessarily in that chronological order. Hopefully not by bringing Mourinho or anyone alike, but someone who's settled, has man management skills, knows how to build and manage a team at that level, has an aura of natural authority (i.e. knows what he's doing and is capable of communicating that to the players), etc.

Let me understand you correctly, Tevez refuses to play and you want the board to sack Mancini?

I thank Allah that you have no say in any matter relating to the club.

Bback is only here as a fan of Dzeko and Mancini had the temerity to castigate his idol. He's been on this tack all day since he registered.