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Maradona, truly the best player on this planet so far
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Petetheblu
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But, but, what about phil Jones. Jesus you guys have short memories.
Hollywood Blue
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Messi is amazing and the closest thing I have seen to Maradona.
But Maradona played in an era when defenders could kick the shit out of you and get away with it, Messi plays in an era of the game that is more like basketball where the ref blows his whistle for any kind of contact.
That is why Maradona shades it for me, he excelled while opponents were trying to break his legs every time he stepped onto the field.
But Maradona played in an era when defenders could kick the shit out of you and get away with it, Messi plays in an era of the game that is more like basketball where the ref blows his whistle for any kind of contact.
That is why Maradona shades it for me, he excelled while opponents were trying to break his legs every time he stepped onto the field.
Every generation produces the 'best ever' player. Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, Zidane, Puscas, Messi.
I never saw Puscas play, but I've seen all the others, and for me, the one player I saw and was just incredible to watch was George Best.
He had everything all those players had and more.
He could tackle, he could head, he could pass the ball, but he could dance around players with such ease when the tackles were flying in, it had to be seen to be believed.
Messi is the first player I have seen that approaches Best's skill levels, but he isn't as good as Best. I've never seen Messi evade a challenge, turn round, and skip over the trailing foot again!
Best did it all the time, for fun, then go and stick the ball in the net. Ok, that maybe a bit romantic, but anyone who saw him play knows what I mean.
It's a shame he is never named in anyones best team of all time, maybe it's because he never played in a world cup, but he is, in my mind, the greatest, most complete footballer I have ever seen.
And I've seen a few goodun's in my time.
I never saw Puscas play, but I've seen all the others, and for me, the one player I saw and was just incredible to watch was George Best.
He had everything all those players had and more.
He could tackle, he could head, he could pass the ball, but he could dance around players with such ease when the tackles were flying in, it had to be seen to be believed.
Messi is the first player I have seen that approaches Best's skill levels, but he isn't as good as Best. I've never seen Messi evade a challenge, turn round, and skip over the trailing foot again!
Best did it all the time, for fun, then go and stick the ball in the net. Ok, that maybe a bit romantic, but anyone who saw him play knows what I mean.
It's a shame he is never named in anyones best team of all time, maybe it's because he never played in a world cup, but he is, in my mind, the greatest, most complete footballer I have ever seen.
And I've seen a few goodun's in my time.
The problem about comparing them both is the times were very different. Messi is blessed to have played in the best club side of all time. Maradonna didn't have the advantages that modern footballers have such as the modern coaching/nutrition etc. With the physicians and doctors of today Maradonna and Pele (plus many others) would have been even better than they were.
ManCitizens.
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Fowlers Penalty Miss said:Every generation produces the 'best ever' player. Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, Zidane, Puscas, Messi.
I never saw Puscas play, but I've seen all the others, and for me, the one player I saw and was just incredible to watch was George Best.
He had everything all those players had and more.
He could tackle, he could head, he could pass the ball, but he could dance around players with such ease when the tackles were flying in, it had to be seen to be believed.
Messi is the first player I have seen that approaches Best's skill levels, but he isn't as good as Best. I've never seen Messi evade a challenge, turn round, and skip over the trailing foot again!
Best did it all the time, for fun, then go and stick the ball in the net. Ok, that maybe a bit romantic, but anyone who saw him play knows what I mean.
It's a shame he is never named in anyones best team of all time, maybe it's because he never played in a world cup, but he is, in my mind, the greatest, most complete footballer I have ever seen.
And I've seen a few goodun's in my time.
You don't watch Barca a lot then?<br /><br />-- Sat May 25, 2013 2:25 am --<br /><br />
Armaan said:The problem about comparing them both is the times were very different. Messi is blessed to have played in the best club side of all time. Maradonna didn't have the advantages that modern footballers have such as the modern coaching/nutrition etc. With the physicians and doctors of today Maradonna and Pele (plus many others) would have been even better than they were.
It's like saying Guardiola was lucky that he inherited his side. Remind me, what happened to the same side under a different manager v Bayern? 7.0
Mad Eyed Screamer
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Pele, on this goal alone.... he did it with a broken arm too.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCJBXfKtOiM[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCJBXfKtOiM[/youtube]
Paul Lake's Left Knee
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Mad Eyed Screamer said:Pele, on this goal alone.... he did it with a broken arm too.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCJBXfKtOiM[/youtube]
Tut - it was a broken rib and Ossie Ardiles was MOTM, scored a beauty, set up another and did that over the head flick. Pele was sat down for half the game...
A story about that goal - the image you see over and over of him kicking the ball, he didnt actually score, the keeper pulled off a blinder, if you watch it, the shot of the ball going in the net it sort of goes along the floor via a scuff, and the keeper dives over it. The world's greatest ever player couldnt do the skill and it look as good as it did in the saved version. So they cobbled 2 shots together...
Only players from european countries were eligible up until 95 for the Ballon D'or. Maradona couldn't have won it with 1000 goals in one season. I don't think comparing individual awards proves anything.NipHolmes said:bluemoon32 said:Bilboblue said:Messi is FAR better than that cheating twunt.
No, no he's not.
Impossible to say as fact and purely down to opinion. However compare stats for same age. Messi buys and sells diego. Not even close, look at Balon D'ors, at a time when Ronaldo is here too. Look at goals to game record, also look at his record in European Cup/CL.
When all is said and done. Lionel will be the man.
And Platini was as good a player as Ronaldo is today, imo even better. We're talking about a playmaker with on average almost 1 goal in 2 games in probably the most defensive league ever (Serie A in the eighties) - they won the league with 43 goals in 30 games in 86 for example, hardly comparable to a league where teams score 3 goals a game on average. And Platini had so much more to his game than goals. Comparing stats without taking into accont in what position they played, the competitiveness of the league they played in and the tactics of that generation is just wrong. Platini was easily as exciting as Ronaldo/Zidane/C. Ronaldo during his career and then came Maradona and destroyed his standing with the most incredible world cup performance of all time. It was magical. Platini went to Mexico in 86 as a footballing god, the tournament should have been his swansong but he carried a small injury with him, couldn't repeat his stellar performance from 84 and went home in the shadow of Maradona. Never before fell someone so great so deep within weeks, and he didn't fall because he was bad (he was pretty good despite his injury and scored decisive goals to bring France to the semi finals), he fell so deep because someone rose beyond the imagination of any football fan.
Looking at stats shouldn't rewrite history. I don't understand why incredible playmakers are so easily dismissed these days just because Messi and Ronaldo score insane numbers. For example, no one would say Gerd Müller was a better player than Beckenbauer or Cruyff. Yet now we look almost solely on goals? It's sad because there's so much more to football.
I think Messi can surpass Maradona, but he hasn't so far. More than enough time to do it though and I hope we all enjoy the ride as much as everyone (well almost everyone) enjoyed watching Maradona back then.
Feed-The-Goat
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All this talk of Pele, Messi and Maradona is bollocks, they aint that good. If they were they would have won the Euros.
Phil Jones all day.
Phil Jones all day.