Marc-Andre ter Stegen

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Pablo1 said:
Well it won't surprise you to know I disagree with you. Hart is the current number one and it's up to him to prove he deserves to be when the season kicks off. If he wants to be at City that's what he'll do.
Buying a second rate back up doesn't fly with me anymore.
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You can't prove anything from the bench. And if a coach who knows your quality decides he wants a different kind of keeper, nothing you do can prove otherwise. Unless you were always that kind of keeper but never showed it.

Coaches have styles that indicate preference. If he wants a ball playing goalie, which Stegeen is, how does Hart prove he deserves to be #1. We know Hart is no Stegeen with the ball in his foot. You know it, I know it and Hart knows it. No point lying to ourselves and pretending it's about proving yourself. For example if Pep comes in and suggests he wants a box to box AM in the #10 role, it will be silly for Silva to say, wait I'm going to stay and prove I'm that guy. Just like in Joe's case, it doesn't take much to conclude players like Vidal, Machisio, etc are simply better action AMs. Nothing Silva can do will change that.

So the issue is not about proving yourself, Joe has already done that. So has Silva for that matter. The issue is whether what they are great at, is what the coach values most. If it isn't, then they lose by default.

If I'm Joe, and it happens, I walk in the summer. And I'd totally understand.
 
Dax777 said:
You can't prove anything from the bench. And if a coach who knows your quality decides he wants a different kind of keeper, nothing you do can prove otherwise. Unless you were always that kind of keeper but never showed it.

Coaches have styles that indicate preference. If he wants a ball playing goalie, which Stegeen is, how does Hart prove he deserves to be #1. We know Hart is no Stegeen with the ball in his foot. You know it, I know it and Hart knows it. No point lying to ourselves and pretending it's about proving yourself. For example if Pep comes in and suggests he wants a box to box AM in the #10 role, it will be silly for Silva to say, wait I'm going to stay and prove I'm that guy. Just like in Joe's case, it doesn't take much to conclude players like Vidal, Machisio, etc are simply better action AMs. Nothing Silva can do will change that.

So the issue is not about proving yourself, Joe has already done that. So has Silva for that matter. The issue is whether what they are great at, is what the coach values most. If it isn't, then they lose by default.

If I'm Joe, and it happens, I walk in the summer. And I'd totally understand.
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That's just a long winded way of saying you wouldn't have the bollocks to fight for your place.
Out of interest, and I've asked the question a couple of times on the thread - who would you sign when Caballero leaves?
I'm sure you've got a database on every keeper in football so I'd be interested to know your opinion.
 
Goater=Legend said:
And how much have you seen of Ter Stegan to say he's much better?

It looks more like Hart is getting coached into punching the crosses all the time instead of catching it.

Don't forget the Spanish league is completely different than the Premier League it's a lot more physical here. De Gea used to struggle commanding his area.

Cabellero was one of the best in the Spanish league before we signed him and he hasn't looked convincing at the back, League Cup aside.
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Not even sure how relevant the Spanish League is he's never picked.
Still he may be the next Eike Immel.
 
Ter Stegen might be one of the few goalkeepers to ply in 3 big leagues at his age ! He is immense in those CL matches.
 
I honestly can not see him coming to play second fiddle once again and not start in the league, or he would stay at Barca..
It's never really been done in the PL, to have a keeper play in the league and the other in the CL
Real Madrid and Barca are the two who have notably done it over the past few years, but the thing is; Joe Hart has excelled in the CL, much more so than the PL

Ter Stegan has obvious strengths with the ball at his feet, but we are going to need a few centre halves with the calmness to dribble the ball about the 6 yard box 15 times a game as shown in the videos on this thread, cause I cant see Mangala being the one... and Otamendi would probably slide tackle the ball boy or post if he got that close to his own goal so...
 
karen7 said:
I'm a simple girl my lovely and self confessed idiot when it comes to tactics lol
I do think that keepers here punch rather than catch because there are a lot of fast paced crosses,remember de gea was bad in his first year as he had to adapt,coming from spain this could mean this kid would also find it hard.I'm a joe fan,he does more than enough for me and with a new coach i think he will put in the hours to improve
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Goater=Legend said:
And how much have you seen of Ter Stegan to say he's much better?

It looks more like Hart is getting coached into punching the crosses all the time instead of catching it.

Don't forget the Spanish league is completely different than the Premier League it's a lot more physical here. De Gea used to struggle commanding his area.

Cabellero was one of the best in the Spanish league before we signed him and he hasn't looked convincing at the back, League Cup aside.
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While ter Stegen is coming from the Spanish League, he is German and has 3 1/2 seasons of experience in the Bundesliga, where they are more than happy to bang in a cross to a big physical CF or 2. He won't have the same difficult adapting that someone like De Gea did.
 
domalino said:
Joe Hart will stay and fight for Manchester City place under Pep Guardiola

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...nd-fight-for-manchester-city-place-under-pep/.

"England international Hart is aware that Ter Stegen has agreed to join City in the summer after choosing to link up with Pep Guardiola, rather than joining Jurgen Klopp at Liverpool.

Hart believes he is no different to any other City player who has to prove himself worthy of a first-team place and will relish the challenge of going up against Germany international Ter Stegen."


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That's what we like to hear
 
Its a bit funny that people are against this considering we are actually improving on our overall keepers positions if we replace Willy with Ter Stegen, Its a massive upgrade. In a way a lot of us on here are scared cos it provides more competition? Surely having Ter Stegen against Hart is better than Willy against Hart. Its an improvement.

I would take him for 20 mill anyday. Milan value their 17 year old keeper at 40 mill. I am pretty sure we will spend whatever we want so putting money on a backup/competitive keeper shouldn't be an issue.
 
Personally don't see a problem with it if it's happening,a top notch replacement for either should one get injured.
How many times have we moaned,myself included,when Kompany or Aguero have been out and we haven't had a "top notch" replacement.
Bit of competition won't harm nobody,your the inform player in your position,you play,simple IMO.
We had the argument before the COC final regards Willy playing,don't think there would of been a debate if it was Stegen,most would of been more comfortable with it.
 
kupest said:
Its a bit funny that people are against this considering we are actually improving on our overall keepers positions if we replace Willy with Ter Stegen, Its a massive upgrade. In a way a lot of us on here are scared cos it provides more competition? Surely having Ter Stegen against Hart is better than Willy against Hart. Its an improvement.

I would take him for 20 mill anyday. Milan value their 17 year old keeper at 40 mill. I am pretty sure we will spend whatever we want so putting money on a backup/competitive keeper shouldn't be an issue.
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The problem is that Ter Steven isn't being bought to replace Caballero as Hart's backup, he's being bought to push Hart into the backup spot. Under that situation, I can see Joe leaving within the year. In fact I don't see it as impossible that Pep might even seek to build funds for our massive rebuild by asking the club to sell Joe straight away and find a cheaper backup.

Hart is the only real player we can boast of having nurtured from a young age into the first team tight now and this signing leads inexorably to him leaving.
 
When it comes to players being got rid off i think how would i feel if we are playing against them and i would not want to see joe lineup against us
 
Manchester_lalala said:
Joe is one of us and been with us since we were shite. He doesn't need replacing, fantastic keeper who is underated by not only other fans, but ours too.

As for nails saying I don't enough about goalkeeping, give it a rest.
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But you clearly do not.
 
domalino said:
While ter Stegen is coming from the Spanish League, he is German and has 3 1/2 seasons of experience in the Bundesliga, where they are more than happy to bang in a cross to a big physical CF or 2. He won't have the same difficult adapting that someone like De Gea did.
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Good point. He'll provide stern competition, at the very least, if he arrives.
 
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