Marc-Andre ter Stegen

[Maldeika]

I don't really remember Valdes at Barcelona, but Neuer was a ball playing keeper before Pep arrived at Bayern. He obviously prefers the ball out short and for the team to move the ball up the pitch together, but that's as much about the whole defence and midfielders working together as it is about the keeper, I can't see why Hart can't play a short pass quickly if he has confidence the players can deal with it and won't give it straight back to him. When people talk about Harts distribution they usually mean his kicking which isn't the best and is usually at shorter players.

The thing with Neuer is that you can always pass the ball to him even under pressure. He is not just a good goalkeeper but could play atleast 2nd or 3rd league as a field player. Like this he is not just the goalkeeper but like an additional field player - and is essential playing the high line Pep prefers (and is needed to keep small distances between the players for the short passing game)

 

[domalino]

Presumably those that think Hart isnt good enough want him sold regardless of whether Stegen comes or not?

For me if Hart gets the job, Stegen will go, and vice versa.

A lot have said that we have to have a ball playing keeper in a Guardiola team.

Wasnt really considered an issue before Stegen was linked. But if it is an issue, and it's accepted that will be one aspect Hart will never excel at tgen surely he's for the chop regardless.

We do need a ball playing keeper.

Either Hart adapts and improves that area of his game, or he will have to leave.

Hart will stay for at least a year to fight for his place, I can't believe anyone actually doubts that, so he'll have a year to improve or he'll get usurped by ter Stegen.

And I'm sure ter Stegen would leave after a year if Hart fended him off - that wouldn't be a problem really.

I think it's funny that so many people are against this, it's like they love Hart but don't actually think he's good enough to beat ter Stegen's challenge if he comes.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Because you have an extra outfield player.

That's stretching it to an unbelievable degree!

 

[Iamthemusicman]

Chelsea paid 12 million for begovic, he is no2. Who else would you get? Cos i love willy but he aint good enouh and one game dont change that

Begovic would have been perfect. He's a very good goalkeeper who is more than good enough to push Hart/stand in when needed. He's Homegrown too and £12M is a bargain.

 

[moomba]

Hart will stay for at least a year to fight for his place, I can't believe anyone actually doubts that, so he'll have a year to improve or he'll get usurped by ter Stegen.

I have my doubts. Wouldnt really blame him either. At this point in his career a year on the sidelines, or cup games only is the last think he needs.

think it's funny that so many people are against this, it's like they love Hart but don't actually think he's good enough to beat ter Stegen's challenge if he comes.

I don't think Stegen would come if he hasnt already been given the nod. So under those circumstances I don't imagine Hart would beat Stegens "challenge"

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

We do need a ball playing keeper.

Either Hart adapts and improves that area of his game, or he will have to leave.

Hart will stay for at least a year to fight for his place, I can't believe anyone actually doubts that, so he'll have a year to improve or he'll get usurped by ter Stegen.

And I'm sure ter Stegen would leave after a year if Hart fended him off - that wouldn't be a problem really.

I think it's funny that so many people are against this, it's like they love Hart but don't actually think he's good enough to beat ter Stegen's challenge if he comes.

It's like I've entered some alternate universe where the primary measurement of excellence for a goalkeeper has suddenly become his ability to carry the ball up over the halfway line, dribble past the opposition's midfield and then rifle the ball into the top corner from 25 yards. What the actual fuck?!!
I don't see Courtois or De Gea ever doing that and no-one's suggesting they will have to adapt or leave their clubs, so why the hell should it be a measuring stick for Hart?
I can't believe we're 35 pages into a thread contemplating the removal of the national team's goalkeeper because he isn't Lionel Messi

 

[bluemoon98]

It's like I've entered some alternate universe where the primary measurement of excellence for a goalkeeper has suddenly become his ability to carry the ball up over the halfway line, dribble past the opposition's midfield and then rifle the ball into the top corner from 25 yards. What the actual fuck?!!
I don't see Courtois or De Gea ever doing that and no-one's suggesting they will have to adapt or leave their clubs, so why the hell should it be a measuring stick for Hart?
I can't believe we're 35 pages into a thread contemplating the removal of the national team's goalkeeper because he isn't Lionel Messi

You're talking more shit. Nobody is asking him to do that but pep wants somebody comfortable on the ball and I don't think he is. He likes to rush and boot it up mainly back to the opposition.

 

[Ajm1985]

It's like I've entered some alternate universe where the primary measurement of excellence for a goalkeeper has suddenly become his ability to carry the ball up over the halfway line, dribble past the opposition's midfield and then rifle the ball into the top corner from 25 yards. What the actual fuck?!!
I don't see Courtois or De Gea ever doing that and no-one's suggesting they will have to adapt or leave their clubs, so why the hell should it be a measuring stick for Hart?
I can't believe we're 35 pages into a thread contemplating the removal of the national team's goalkeeper because he isn't Lionel Messi

Mourinho, Simeone, Hiddink, Ferguson, Moyes and Van Gaal don't play with a system that requires a high degree of comfort and competency with the ball at the feet of the keeper. Pep does

 

[leewill31]

It's like I've entered some alternate universe where the primary measurement of excellence for a goalkeeper has suddenly become his ability to carry the ball up over the halfway line, dribble past the opposition's midfield and then rifle the ball into the top corner from 25 yards. What the actual fuck?!!
I don't see Courtois or De Gea ever doing that and no-one's suggesting they will have to adapt or leave their clubs, so why the hell should it be a measuring stick for Hart?
I can't believe we're 35 pages into a thread contemplating the removal of the national team's goalkeeper because he isn't Lionel Messi

I see some ranting and tears when Pep rocks up at the Etihad next season especially with some players he may want to replace.

 

[The Richard Wright Fan Club]

I doubt there's a keeper in the world with a better highlight reel than Hart. Not only is he the best at one on ones, he also has the strongest hands in the business. The finger tip saves he's made are out of this world. I can't recall him ever getting a hand to the ball and not keeping it out.

Norwich at home this season?

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

You're talking more shit. Nobody is asking him to do that but pep wants somebody comfortable on the ball and I don't think he is. He likes to rush and boot it up mainly back to the opposition.

I'm exaggerating to make a point you ninny, but if you think removing an excellent goalkeeper, who has the very important added bonus of being English and helping us meet whatever bullshit targets UEFA and Dyke may dream up, on the very contestable grounds that he "allegedly" hesitates over his distribution, is either prudent or a priority, please say so. I get that Pep likes his keepers to play a certain way, but Hart's other attributes more than make up for any perceived shortcomings in lesser areas of importance than actually keeping the ball out of our net IMO

 

[TheSoulhunter]

We just simply must keep Hart as our number one keeper. He's English.

 

[blueparrot]

We just simply must keep Hart as our number one keeper. He's English.

So am I and can assure you that doesn't qualify me as our keeper.

 

[bulldogblue]

We just simply must keep Hart as our number one keeper. He's English.

Totally agree. It's a no brainer and I am sure even our exalted management will agree with that.

 

[domalino]

I'm exaggerating to make a point you ninny, but if you think removing an excellent goalkeeper, who has the very important added bonus of being English and helping us meet whatever bullshit targets UEFA and Dyke may dream up, on the very contestable grounds that he "allegedly" hesitates over his distribution, is either prudent or a priority, please say so. I get that Pep likes his keepers to play a certain way, but Hart's other attributes more than make up for any perceived shortcomings in lesser areas of importance than actually keeping the ball out of our net IMO

Well apparently Guardiola doesn't think Hart's other strengths do outweigh his massive shortcomings in an area of the game which is vital to how Pep wants his teams to play. Hence why he wants a new goalkeeper.

 

[lonestay]

We as a club have chased Pep for how long four years ? We now have him onboard ,so we have to now build a team and play in the style that he wants to play otherwise what was the point in getting Pep? We cannot have arguably the best manager in world football if we then tie one hand behind his back because he wants to change some fans favourite players. If we don't allow Pep full reign then there was no point in hiring him in the first place . Hart is a good keeper up there with the best in the world ,BUT he doesn't play in the style that Pep wants as a goalkeeper, hence Pep won't be able to get the team playing the style of football he wants to play . It's going to be hard seeing favourites leave but it's gonna happen , we have to give Pep a free hand and stand by his judgement if we are to get the best out of his appointment.

 

[Jazzman]

We just simply must keep Hart as our number one keeper. He's English.

If Joe is good enough he will keep the number one. Nobody can have anything against proper competition, Willy did not provide this.

 

[Havent Got a Kalou]

There are 3 other German GK's I'd hope for before ter Stegen. He makes a lot of mistakes. Yes, sometimes looks amazing but not always a great decision maker. Give me Neur, Leno and Trapp all before 20 million dollar man who never started a La Liga game. Joe Hart is part of the fabric of City. Yes, you wish for a youth and class revolution. Hart is not part of the problem IMO and deserves to stay and play.

 

[TheSoulhunter]

If Joe is good enough he will keep the number one. Nobody can have anything against proper competition, Willy did not provide this.

Yeah, of course. He would give more competition. But I think that a new goalkeeper isn't a priority. Ter Stegen's rumoured price would be around £20m and that's quite a lot for a 2nd choice keeper (competing for the #1 spot). That money could be used for something else as we have a massive squad overhaul coming in the summer and a lot of money is going to be spent.

 

[Utter bobbins]

Yeah, of course. He would give more competition. But I think that a new goalkeeper isn't a priority. Ter Stegen's rumoured price would be around £20m and that's quite a lot for a 2nd choice keeper (competing for the #1 spot). That money could be used for something else as we have a massive squad overhaul coming in the summer and a lot of money is going to be spent.

Are we short of cash