Marcos Lopes

The potential is there it is down to us to develop him and the player to live up to it.
 
Gabriel said:
Outside of the top seven sides, there is some absolute dross in the league, and I think he'd learn more from playing and training with Silva, Nasri, Toure etc. than turfing it out with some cloggers every afternoon. What is more, given the improvement in so many players under MP, it would surely make more sense to have them learn from him than be at the whim of the revolving door managers elsewhere.

It depends how much game time he'd get though, what I think he lacked today was urgency in an attacking sense at times which probably only comes with match experience (only being hyper critical mind, he looked really good)<br /><br />-- Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:30 pm --<br /><br />
blinkblue said:
Start him at the Boleyn.

Agree, has to start there and hopefully can get at least 30 minutes against Blackburn.
 
Still not ready for a regular spot in the matchday squad. Got caught on the ball a couple of times and was quite naive when he was doing stepovers going towards the touchline in his own half and was shrugged off the ball. Good energy and acceleration though, suits a pressing game, and his backheel was class. As has already been said, hard for the player to make an impact and hard for us to judge him given the match situation. Hopefully he starts against Blackburn and/or in the second leg of tonight's tie.
 
FantasyIreland said:
cmdub said:
Januzaj isn't fit to lace Lopes boots. End.

Realistically Janujaz is much further developed and i'd,reluctantly, suggest a bigger talent.

Its only a bit of confidence and a run in the in the first team fants that's keeping his developement subdued. United have no choice but to play the kids due to there lack of fit players and that's the only reason (on a developement) level why he's a bit ahead of Lopez. But I know where your coming from.
 
FantasyIreland said:
cmdub said:
Januzaj isn't fit to lace Lopes boots. End.

Realistically Janujaz is much further developed and i'd,reluctantly, suggest a bigger talent.

januzaj is an amazing player for his age, it's rare you get such young players performing so consistently well for such an average team. They usually burn out pretty quick. meh.
 
Lopes did well in the limited time he had. He will improve with more match time.

Would like to see him start in the 2nd leg to give him experience.
 
FantasyIreland said:
cmdub said:
Januzaj isn't fit to lace Lopes boots. End.

Realistically Janujaz is much further developed and i'd,reluctantly, suggest a bigger talent.

Sarcasm is hard to convey online but it doesn't change the fact that I'd like to see him more with the first team when games are clearly already won
 
As others have said really hoping to see the kid get an extended run against Blackburn or the return leg against West Ham. There's real talent there.
 
Petetheblu said:
FantasyIreland said:
cmdub said:
Januzaj isn't fit to lace Lopes boots. End.

Realistically Janujaz is much further developed and i'd,reluctantly, suggest a bigger talent.

Its only a bit of confidence and a run in the in the first team fants that's keeping his developement subdued. United have no choice but to play the kids due to there lack of fit players and that's the only reason (on a developement) level why he's a bit ahead of Lopez. But I know where your coming from.



Januzaj is looking a better prospect by a long way, for whatever reason. Having said that Januzaj isn't looking like a world-beater so I wouldn't get carried away just yet if I was a 'rag'.

I didn't see anything in Lopes to get me excited.

We shouldn't get carried away with this 'home grown' thing. If they aren't good enough then that has to be he end of it.

Move on.

No point in sentimentality. Just like all of us, we'd like to have been brain surgeons but didn't have the wherewithal.

Live with it an move on.
 
CITYBOY1000 said:
Petetheblu said:
FantasyIreland said:
Realistically Janujaz is much further developed and i'd,reluctantly, suggest a bigger talent.

Its only a bit of confidence and a run in the in the first team fants that's keeping his developement subdued. United have no choice but to play the kids due to there lack of fit players and that's the only reason (on a developement) level why he's a bit ahead of Lopez. But I know where your coming from.



Januzaj is looking a better prospect by a long way, for whatever reason. Having said that Januzaj isn't looking like a world-beater so I wouldn't get carried away just yet if I was a 'rag'.

I didn't see anything in Lopes to get me excited.

We shouldn't get carried away with this 'home grown' thing. If they aren't good enough then that has to be he end of it.

Move on.

No point in sentimentality. Just like all of us, we'd like to have been brain surgeons but didn't have the wherewithal.

Live with it an move on.

That is quite the judgement after 20 minutes.

Are you a Tesco buyer, by chance?
 
SebastianBlue said:
CITYBOY1000 said:
Petetheblu said:
Its only a bit of confidence and a run in the in the first team fants that's keeping his developement subdued. United have no choice but to play the kids due to there lack of fit players and that's the only reason (on a developement) level why he's a bit ahead of Lopez. But I know where your coming from.



Januzaj is looking a better prospect by a long way, for whatever reason. Having said that Januzaj isn't looking like a world-beater so I wouldn't get carried away just yet if I was a 'rag'.

I didn't see anything in Lopes to get me excited.

We shouldn't get carried away with this 'home grown' thing. If they aren't good enough then that has to be he end of it.

Move on.

No point in sentimentality. Just like all of us, we'd like to have been brain surgeons but didn't have the wherewithal.

Live with it an move on.

That is quite the judgement after 20 minutes.

Are you a Tesco buyer, by chance?


I sometimes frequent the place often referred to a Tescos.

Is that relevant to my appraisal of Lopes who I have watched many times and not just his cameo against West Ham ?
 
CITYBOY1000 said:
Petetheblu said:
FantasyIreland said:
Realistically Janujaz is much further developed and i'd,reluctantly, suggest a bigger talent.

Its only a bit of confidence and a run in the in the first team fants that's keeping his developement subdued. United have no choice but to play the kids due to there lack of fit players and that's the only reason (on a developement) level why he's a bit ahead of Lopez. But I know where your coming from.



Januzaj is looking a better prospect by a long way, for whatever reason. Having said that Januzaj isn't looking like a world-beater so I wouldn't get carried away just yet if I was a 'rag'.

I didn't see anything in Lopes to get me excited.

We shouldn't get carried away with this 'home grown' thing. If they aren't good enough then that has to be he end of it.

Move on.

No point in sentimentality. Just like all of us, we'd like to have been brain surgeons but didn't have the wherewithal.

Live with it an move on.


Your genius scout ?
 
didn't do much but to be fair by the time he came on we were playing at walking pace. He was much more impressive against Wigan when the he started in a side playing with tempo
 
BlueDejong said:
CITYBOY1000 said:
Petetheblu said:
Its only a bit of confidence and a run in the in the first team fants that's keeping his developement subdued. United have no choice but to play the kids due to there lack of fit players and that's the only reason (on a developement) level why he's a bit ahead of Lopez. But I know where your coming from.



Januzaj is looking a better prospect by a long way, for whatever reason. Having said that Januzaj isn't looking like a world-beater so I wouldn't get carried away just yet if I was a 'rag'.

I didn't see anything in Lopes to get me excited.

We shouldn't get carried away with this 'home grown' thing. If they aren't good enough then that has to be he end of it.

Move on.

No point in sentimentality. Just like all of us, we'd like to have been brain surgeons but didn't have the wherewithal.

Live with it an move on.


Your genius scout ?

What's your point Blue ?
 
CITYBOY1000 said:
SebastianBlue said:
CITYBOY1000 said:
Januzaj is looking a better prospect by a long way, for whatever reason. Having said that Januzaj isn't looking like a world-beater so I wouldn't get carried away just yet if I was a 'rag'.

I didn't see anything in Lopes to get me excited.

We shouldn't get carried away with this 'home grown' thing. If they aren't good enough then that has to be he end of it.

Move on.

No point in sentimentality. Just like all of us, we'd like to have been brain surgeons but didn't have the wherewithal.

Live with it an move on.

That is quite the judgement after 20 minutes.

Are you a Tesco buyer, by chance?


I sometimes frequent the place often referred to a Tescos.

Is that relevant to my appraisal of Lopes who I have watched many times and not just his cameo against West Ham ?

You've watched him play in competitive matches many times with the first team?

I must have lost months to an alien abduction.

Jokes aside, my point is that players develop differently when played at higher levels. Sink or swim, as it were, so he needs more than a few cameos to prove whether or now there is talent equal to our ambitions.
 
SebastianBlue said:
CITYBOY1000 said:
SebastianBlue said:
That is quite the judgement after 20 minutes.

Are you a Tesco buyer, by chance?


I sometimes frequent the place often referred to a Tescos.

Is that relevant to my appraisal of Lopes who I have watched many times and not just his cameo against West Ham ?

You've watched him play in competitive matches many times with the first team?

I must have lost months to an alien abduction.

Jokes aside, my point is that players develop differently when played at higher levels. Sink or swim, as it were, so he needs more than a few cameos to prove whether or now there is talent equal to our ambitions.


I think I see your point Seb.

He's not shown much other than the ordinary at EDS level or on the few occasions he has featured in the first team but he 'might' still be quality nevertheless because he shouldn't be judged on his performance. Is that right ?
 
CITYBOY1000 said:
SebastianBlue said:
CITYBOY1000 said:
I sometimes frequent the place often referred to a Tescos.

Is that relevant to my appraisal of Lopes who I have watched many times and not just his cameo against West Ham ?

You've watched him play in competitive matches many times with the first team?

I must have lost months to an alien abduction.

Jokes aside, my point is that players develop differently when played at higher levels. Sink or swim, as it were, so he needs more than a few cameos to prove whether or now there is talent equal to our ambitions.


I think I see your point Seb.

He's not shown much other than the ordinary at EDS level or on the few occasions he has featured in the first team but he 'might' still be quality nevertheless because he shouldn't be judged on his performance. Is that right ?

I think you'd have a fair few who have watched Lopes with the EDS (including, it seems, a certain Chilean) that may disagree with the "ordinary" assessment. I'll admit that the one thing I can't do from my current residence is watch anything other than all of the EDS and U18 highlights on the OS but I have heard and read very good things from those who have been able to watch him in person.

I also don't think anything about his first team performances, especially given the situations in which they arose, precludes talent.

It seems a very rash judgement to me but perhaps I am wrong.
 
Don't compare him to Janujaz, at that age his build gives him an advantage against older players compared to Lopes.

Also Lopes' play is more suited to the centre of the park so has more to tackle than playing on the wings.

Was hard for him to settle into the game today as by the time he came on the team had moved down a couple of gears and he was trying to make an impact in a higher gear than the others.
 

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