Allnightlong
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if a number of officials have a few quid at 5000 to 1 .....then possibly
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Mark Clattenburg
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if a number of officials have a few quid at 5000 to 1 .....then possibly
richardtheref
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I have been assistant to Clattenburg a few times when he was officiating in the Northern League. You could see he was a very good referee but I have never met someone as arrogant as him. The decision to award the penalty was a pure guess as you can see he is not even looking at it. He is looking into the box at the time at not at the crucial incident. Maybe he should spend less time in Harry's bar in Newcastle less than 48 hours before a game of such magnitude allegedly.
Manchester33
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The simple answer is this - use technology to help referee's make the correct decisions (whenever there is a contentious decision). If they don't want too much technology in the game, use 1 referee, 4 linesmen, and 2 '5th officials' behind the goals. There is so much money in football nowadays that the FA could easily pay for this, even if it's just in the premiership.
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blueinsa
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The simple answer is this - use technology to help referee's make the correct decisions (whenever there is a contentious decision). If they don't want too much technology in the game, use 1 referee, 4 linesmen, and 2 '5th officials' behind the goals. There is so much money in football nowadays that the FA could easily pay for this, even if it's just in the premiership.
It has to be video refs with the footage shown in the stadium and everyone microphoned up and again, audio up in the stadium. Nowhere to hide then for them.
Esteban de la Sexface
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that was as bad a decision as I've seen.
Even if he did handle it, the majority of refs wouldn't give it. It's not like it was intentional handball, the guy jumped to block a cross. the fact it didn't hit his hand just exacerbates it.
He should be made answer for that.
Even if he did handle it, the majority of refs wouldn't give it. It's not like it was intentional handball, the guy jumped to block a cross. the fact it didn't hit his hand just exacerbates it.
He should be made answer for that.
Benarbia_is_god
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If its not fixed or corrupt in some way, what's your explanation for that decision ? It cannot possibly be deliberate, it did not hit his hand, it was questionable whether it was in the area. He has to be certain on all those before he gives it. It cannot just be a mistake on all three of those.
You haven't answered my question there - Why do you still watch something which is so semmingly so blatantly corrupt against our club? Why invest time and more importantly waste your money on it?
Trolleyhead
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The same thing happened in 2011/12 except that time we took action and rescued the situation.
In that season, the first bad decision was probably at Fulham, when Dzeko was fouled in the build up to their equaliser but the foul wasn't given and we ended up dropping two points. The next (although it didn't affect the final result) was the failure to award what looked like a stonewall penalty at Old Trafford for a foul on Richards when we were 1-0 up. The next really bad decision was at Chelsea where, already 1-0 up, the referee turned down a clear penalty for a foul on Silva. He then gives a very soft penalty to Chelsea late on, to add insult to injury. The referee was Clattenburg in all three games.
After that, people in Abu Dhabi were told by someone who specialises in monitoring such things that there was a clear bias against us that could be correlated to suspicious betting patterns. So they paid this person to prepare a report with his evidence, which was passed to the authorities. As a result, Peter Walton disappeared to the USA mid-season and Lee Mason was withdrawn at short notice from a couple of games involving us, at our request. Just after this, Mike Riley made his famous presentation to Points Of Blue, where he told us how great the referees were, how they were totally unbiased (despite it being pointed out to him that one high-profile game had a ref where there was a clear conflict of interest). He also said Mason had been withdrawn due to an illness in his family but he was fourth official in London the same weekend, when his family is in Bolton. That was a lie. Mason was withdrawn because we objected.
The same person did something similar (although I don't know who for) back in 2007/8 after a referee had given a staggeringly one-sided performance in a Merseyside Derby in October 2007. The referee was Clattenburg and later that season he was suspended, then sacked and finally reinstated on appeal. But a couple of other referees were removed from front-line duties at the end of the 2008/9 season, namely Rob Styles & Mike Riley. Both were well short of the normal retirement age. One of Styles (many) controversial decisions came at Old Trafford, when Ronaldo was fairly tackled and he gave a penalty, even though no rag player appealed. Riley was the ref in the infamous Chelsea v Liverpool game when he wrongly sent off Frank Lampard but let Gerrard get away wit h two potential red card offences then failed to punish a deliberate flying kick on Benayoun by Bosingwa late on.
It's happening again this season but the club don't seem to have reacted in the same way, which is puzzling. Possibly because the person who helped us out last time is now doing the same for Arsenal. And how are they doing this season?
Wow.
Chi-town blues
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What do you know about his personal life style ,?I have been assistant to Clattenburg a few times when he was officiating in the Northern League. You could see he was a very good referee but I have never met someone as arrogant as him. The decision to award the penalty was a pure guess as you can see he is not even looking at it. He is looking into the box at the time at not at the crucial incident. Maybe he should spend less time in Harry's bar in Newcastle less than 48 hours before a game of such magnitude allegedly.
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You haven't answered my question there - Why do you still watch something which is so semmingly so blatantly corrupt against our club? Why invest time and more importantly waste your money on it?
In the ever decreasing hope that it isn't. Have you answered my question yet ? The explanation for him getting all three things wrong ?
Theres no way Clattenberg could have known with 100% certainty that the ball hit his arm , theres no way either that Clattenberg could have known with 100 % certainty that the incident was inside the box . Despite that he gave a penalty , he had the perfect get out of jail free card in that he could have awarded a free kick just outside the box , the fact he would rather guess and give a penalty smacks of something not quite right , corruption or an anti City bias ?... i would say the latter added to the massive ego of Clattenberg and his need to be centre of attention
Agreed and independent time keepers with a real time clock on show for all to see. Shit reffing and time-wasting are ruining the game for me.It has to be video refs with the footage shown in the stadium and everyone microphoned up and again, audio up in the stadium. Nowhere to hide then for them.
HolisticJim
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Reading on here honestly makes me want to stop watching football. Such incredible and blatant bullshit - be it crap refereeing or corruption.
If people on a public forum can look at it and see that things dont quiet add up then it hurts that the people that matter dont.
If people on a public forum can look at it and see that things dont quiet add up then it hurts that the people that matter dont.
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blueinsa
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Agreed and independent time keepers with a real time clock on show for all to see. Shit reffing and time-wasting are ruining the game for me.
It's interesting that with ever increasing match day costs and tickets, you are actually seeing less football with the time wasting that's going on and as you say, independent time keeping with the clock stopped when play does would soon stop it and benefit the fans and game hugely.
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you can tell he had a bad game when most of us can say he should that booked Yaya for his tackle on Dembele but didn't. Completely inept. The whole body of the 'Professional' referees needs to be seriously reviewed.
i thought at the time that not giving yellow cards for a couple of fouls by Toure early on and another one (was it Fernandinho?) was a great cover to give Spurs a game-changing decision later on and be able to point to the earlier decisions as some sort of justification for not being biased. It's pretty sad when you start looking at referees' performances that way.
Trolleyhead
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Theres no way Clattenberg could have known with 100% certainty that the ball hit his arm , theres no way either that Clattenberg could have known with 100 % certainty that the incident was inside the box . Despite that he gave a penalty , he had the perfect get out of jail free card in that he could have awarded a free kick just outside the box , the fact he would rather guess and give a penalty smacks of something not quite right , corruption or an anti City bias ?... i would say the latter added to the massive ego of Clattenberg and his need to be centre of attention
And there is absolutely no way whatsoever he could have even imagined it was deliberate.
MillionMilesAway
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Theres no way Clattenberg could have known with 100% certainty that the ball hit his arm , theres no way either that Clattenberg could have known with 100 % certainty that the incident was inside the box . Despite that he gave a penalty , he had the perfect get out of jail free card in that he could have awarded a free kick just outside the box , the fact he would rather guess and give a penalty smacks of something not quite right , corruption or an anti City bias ?... i would say the latter added to the massive ego of Clattenberg and his need to be centre of attention
I got the impression another official told him it was inside the area, which it was.
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blueinsa
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I got the impression another official told him it was inside the area, which it was.
Which one as the linesman that half was on the complete opposite side?
dave_blue12
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Good one. Maybe you can explain how correlation equals causality
I am not asserting one way or the other. These are, however, disturbing statistics.
The PL has been very strange this season with Leicesters rise and Chelsea's fall. There does appear to be something very strange going on.
Tueartsoverhead kick
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Agreed and independent time keepers with a real time clock on show for all to see. Shit reffing and time-wasting are ruining the game for me.
A real time clock could you imagine the added time against a WBA or similar and just imagine we might still have a full house at 90mins with the go home early brigade knowing how long is still to go ha ha
I feel the referees are doing their best to keep Leciester and Spurs up there. Does wonders for ratings. Every year sky want a story and this is this year's best seller.
That pen was just about the worst decision I've seen all season, and he's meant to be our best ref. They were arguing on sky whether it was intentional or not when it didn't matter because it never hit his hand.
That pen was just about the worst decision I've seen all season, and he's meant to be our best ref. They were arguing on sky whether it was intentional or not when it didn't matter because it never hit his hand.