Martin Demichelis

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sir baconface said:
A few iffy performances last night but, hey, why not single DM out if it makes people feel better?



Maybe because some don't want to admit that some of our bigger and more expensive names were found wanting?

I love Pellegrini to bits but we have to accept that Chelsea were able to do a number on something we are wedded to, and we are short on quality back up.

Give me Demichelis over Garcia or Rodwell any time IMO.
 
de niro said:
bloodyboutsa said:
Much better than Garcia. Reads the game better, class with the ball and a solid distributer.

His even a good tackler in the midfield, though what he lacks is pace & agility but so does Garcia - I'd definitely prefer Demichelis in midfield.

I'd play Jimmy. Garcia even Rodwell in front of him every time.
I suspect that MP would too, but none were fit enough.
 
Pell could have changed it at half time, he chose not to for reasons unknown, MD had no business being in our midfield last night and was found wanting because he was too slow and had insufficient back up as Chelsea flooded through, he looked out of position and the pace of Chelsea was his undoing. At the end of the day we still have everything to play for in all competitions, in order to progress we need Nasri Fernandinho and Sergio back and a fully fit Negredo, sooner the better.

We are still the best team out there.
 
I just don't get it with MDM Tolm and can't see where you are coming from.
The truth is that MDM has been poor since the day we signed him. Always has a mistake in him and his habit of diving in on half way line and leaving the rest of defence exposed is comical at times. The problem we have is that Nastasic has been even worse this season and the truth is kompany has covered for both this season.

Most sane city fans know the best defending partnership we have is kompany and lescott. Unfortunately lescott has never had a run of games. Personally don't think lescott is the answer next season but he is certainly better than the other 2.

Once every city fan heard that team last night their hearts will have sunk. Everyone expected MDM and Yaya to be overrun in midfield. In truth they were. Agree MDM wasn't the worst player, nastasic, negredo etc would be at the top of that list but to say he was our top player is laughable. Navas and Hart out best 2 by some distance.
 
I actually thought he played well, in what was an impossible situation.

As people have said, he is the media scapegoat for any goals we concede (wherever he plays) and it seems many a City fan has jumped on the bandwagon and is keen to criticise.

All his performance did was highlight the importance of Fernandinho to our system. It is his energy levels which were missed, but most crucially, his running with the ball.....which thereby causes opposing defensive midfielders to be drawn out to close him down which in turns creates space for our more creative players.

Martin did what he can do and did it well.....but he was never going to run with the ball like Ferna does. and just because we lost and got completely overrun on the counter attack time and again, that doesn't make it Martin's fault.

We clearly needed an extra body in there, as he was totally exposed once our other midfielders and fullbacks streamed forward.

Missed a couple of tackles (but who doesn't during a game), but made many a decent tackle and interception. His distribution was still top notch considering is a centre back.

Those saying he had a shocker need to look at the bigger picture.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Best man in a City shirt last night and just goes to show how many people really know fuck all about football.

He never let anybody down and made every tackle asked of him.

The whole system failed because simply put, it only works when Fernandinho is at the heart of it.

Demichelis has excellent technique, kept the ball moving and attempted to put out fires all night.

It's become a convenient stick to beat him with.

Demichelis is no Fernandinho, a player who drives forward and has the capacity to run all day.

He covers for Yaya and does the work of two other players.

It's no coincidence the last time we lost at Sunderland it was because Fernandinho was also missing.
Same view as mine, we'd all prefer that MD didn't have to play there, but there were no other options last night as the rest weren't fit, and for me, he did as much as he could, the main problems were elsewhere on the pitch last night. Silva, Negredo, and Dzeko's boots, had any of them been near the form they are capable of we'd probably be top of the league this morning.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Best man in a City shirt last night and just goes to show how many people really know fuck all about football.

He never let anybody down and made every tackle asked of him.

The whole system failed because simply put, it only works when Fernandinho is at the heart of it.

Demichelis has excellent technique, kept the ball moving and attempted to put out fires all night.

It's become a convenient stick to beat him with.

Demichelis is no Fernandinho, a player who drives forward and has the capacity to run all day.

He covers for Yaya and does the work of two other players.

It's no coincidence the last time we lost at Sunderland it was because Fernandinho was also missing.

I made that point before kick off yesterday and sadly it proved to be the case.

We may well have to tweak systems until Fernandinho comes back and maybe add a man to midfield at Norwich.

The biggest issue with the loss of Fernandinho isn't as much the loss of midfield cover but the fact we can't play at the same high tempo. There were lots of echoes of the Sunderland game yesterday even down to a full back getting the winner.
 
I don't rate him but he did alright last night. Much better than I expected. It's not his fault that we were outnumbered. Matic, Luiz, Willian and Ramires are so mobile and strong it would have been hard for anyone. Every time Toure got the ball they surrounded him. That Willian was superb.

Negredo was a passenger, Pellegrini should have seen that and made a change before half time to bring an extra set of legs on in midfield. But you can't win them all and hopefully we'll learn from this. Sometimes you have to be pragmatic and match up to another side.
 
blue ranger said:
I just don't get it with MDM Tolm and can't see where you are coming from.
The truth is that MDM has been poor since the day we signed him. Always has a mistake in him and his habit of diving in on half way line and leaving the rest of defence exposed is comical at times. The problem we have is that Nastasic has been even worse this season and the truth is kompany has covered for both this season.

Most sane city fans know the best defending partnership we have is kompany and lescott. Unfortunately lescott has never had a run of games. Personally don't think lescott is the answer next season but he is certainly better than the other 2.

Once every city fan heard that team last night their hearts will have sunk. Everyone expected MDM and Yaya to be overrun in midfield. In truth they were. Agree MDM wasn't the worst player, nastasic, negredo etc would be at the top of that list but to say he was our top player is laughable. Navas and Hart out best 2 by some distance.

Most sane city fans???

Classic

Fundamentally to our team and the system we play is having a ball playing defender who links to midfield, sadly lescott can't pass 5 yards consistently enough to regarded as that player, get use to how MP sets up, he wants players comfortable on the ball which is why the cycle of players such as Richards, lescott, Milner, Barry is coming to an end, oh look, they're all English (alarm bells)

MD was nothing more than a stop gap and he's performed admirably since day one, performing poorly is a ridiculous statement and one which shows up a great deal of people's tactical savvy!!!!
 
The more you see of Demichelis the more you understand why they tried to buy Mangala from Porto. Demichelis is simply not up to PL standard.
And why on earth is Milner sidelined more or less permanently????
 
cleavers said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Best man in a City shirt last night and just goes to show how many people really know fuck all about football.

He never let anybody down and made every tackle asked of him.

The whole system failed because simply put, it only works when Fernandinho is at the heart of it.

Demichelis has excellent technique, kept the ball moving and attempted to put out fires all night.

It's become a convenient stick to beat him with.

Demichelis is no Fernandinho, a player who drives forward and has the capacity to run all day.

He covers for Yaya and does the work of two other players.

It's no coincidence the last time we lost at Sunderland it was because Fernandinho was also missing.
Same view as mine, we'd all prefer that MD didn't have to play there, but there were no other options last night as the rest weren't fit, and for me, he did as much as he could, the main problems were elsewhere on the pitch last night. Silva, Negredo, and Dzeko's boots, had any of them been near the form they are capable of we'd probably be top of the league this morning.


MD wasn't perfect last night and maybe should have done better in the move from which they scored - I think he should have fouled Hazard to start with - but he was far from the disaster some claim and none of the available alternatives were likely to do better. The main issues were elsewhere.
 
if garcia was fit there is no way mdm would have played( in defence maybe) but certainly not in the middle

neither are 1st choice for our team but garcia i feel would have given us better protection for yaya and silva

mdm's passing has a just about managing it feel about it where as garcia's would have been more secure
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
blue ranger said:
I just don't get it with MDM Tolm and can't see where you are coming from.
The truth is that MDM has been poor since the day we signed him. Always has a mistake in him and his habit of diving in on half way line and leaving the rest of defence exposed is comical at times. The problem we have is that Nastasic has been even worse this season and the truth is kompany has covered for both this season.

Most sane city fans know the best defending partnership we have is kompany and lescott. Unfortunately lescott has never had a run of games. Personally don't think lescott is the answer next season but he is certainly better than the other 2.

Once every city fan heard that team last night their hearts will have sunk. Everyone expected MDM and Yaya to be overrun in midfield. In truth they were. Agree MDM wasn't the worst player, nastasic, negredo etc would be at the top of that list but to say he was our top player is laughable. Navas and Hart out best 2 by some distance.

Most sane city fans???

Classic

Fundamentally to our team and the system we play is having a ball playing defender who links to midfield, sadly lescott can't pass 5 yards consistently enough to regarded as that player, get use to how MP sets up, he wants players comfortable on the ball which is why the cycle of players such as Richards, lescott, Milner, Barry is coming to an end, oh look, they're all English (alarm bells)

MD was nothing more than a stop gap and he's performed admirably since day one, performing poorly is a ridiculous statement and one which shows up a great deal of people's tactical savvy!!!!

Exactly this, the whole MDM debate seperates the people who actually watch a game and make their own mind up and people who cant think for themselves so repeat what various pundits have told them ie MDM is a liabilty.

Name one game where he has cost us points/goals directly from his mistakes...

The guy is a stop gap, a warm body at the time when we couldn't get our first choice in during the summer. This will be rectified in time , until then I would rather have him next to Vinny than Nastasic or Lescott, who lets face it looks like he has a hand grenade at his feet if someone passes him the ball....
 
blue ranger said:
I just don't get it with MDM Tolm and can't see where you are coming from.
The truth is that MDM has been poor since the day we signed him. Always has a mistake in him and his habit of diving in on half way line and leaving the rest of defence exposed is comical at times. The problem we have is that Nastasic has been even worse this season and the truth is kompany has covered for both this season.

Most sane city fans know the best defending partnership we have is kompany and lescott. Unfortunately lescott has never had a run of games. Personally don't think lescott is the answer next season but he is certainly better than the other 2.

Once every city fan heard that team last night their hearts will have sunk. Everyone expected MDM and Yaya to be overrun in midfield. In truth they were. Agree MDM wasn't the worst player, nastasic, negredo etc would be at the top of that list but to say he was our top player is laughable. Navas and Hart out best 2 by some distance.


I stopped reading when you said Lescott was a better player - he's shocking!

Mancini knew it, Pellegrini already knows it - just as he knows Richards is in the same category.

Demichelis has had more good games than bad since his arrival and I am more confortable when he is in the team than any of Nasty, Lescott, Rodwell or Garcia.

If you think Demichelis wasn't outstanding against Newcastle recently, I don't know here we can find any middle ground?

Demichelis is a squad player who is being played because the manager knows he ticks more boxes than the others.

Is Demichelis the second-coming of Baresi, no.

Is he the shite he is being made out to be, far from it.
 
Not as bad as most are making out on here he made some good challenges and he was outnumbered so often he was going to be out of position. We needed 2 defensive mids last night that was obvious
 
He had a good game but he does dive in to much for me unlike Fernandinho who reads the game and Knicks the ball wins it
 
Barry was one of the main reasons we were so shite last season. Slowed us down so so much. Pellers doesn't seem to have a plan B without Fernan which is worrying.
 
dasblues said:
Name one game where he has cost us points/goals directly from his mistakes...

He doesn't have to be responsible directly....he allows the chance to attack when he just dives into tackles without winning the ball. Seen it soooo many times this season. It certainly gives the opposition encouragement and causes them to concentrate on exposing him.

Really don't see what he offers at all...
 
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