Martin Demichelis

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He certainly wasn't as dreadful as people are making out but there is absolutely no way you can play a midfield 2 of Yaya and MD against a team like Chelsea. Time and time again the Chelsea midfield got in behind our midfield, leaving the defence completely outnumbered. Also, his laziness for the Chelsea goal was astounding.
 
All these alternatives last night were not fit according to the manager, and on the Rodwell question, he was outclassed and overrun by Watford's midfield 2 weeks ago, and removed at half time for MD (moving out of defence), in doing so we went from 0-2 to 4-2 as a result, so anyone claiming Rodwell (if fit) should have started before MD is on pretty dodgy ground.
 
tonea2003 said:
waspish said:
He had a good game but he does dive in to much for me unlike Fernandinho who reads the game and Knicks the ball wins it
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his diving in is a major flaw for me
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Players that dive in often lack pace, that's why they do it.
 
dasblues said:
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
blue ranger said:
I just don't get it with MDM Tolm and can't see where you are coming from.
The truth is that MDM has been poor since the day we signed him. Always has a mistake in him and his habit of diving in on half way line and leaving the rest of defence exposed is comical at times. The problem we have is that Nastasic has been even worse this season and the truth is kompany has covered for both this season.

Most sane city fans know the best defending partnership we have is kompany and lescott. Unfortunately lescott has never had a run of games. Personally don't think lescott is the answer next season but he is certainly better than the other 2.

Once every city fan heard that team last night their hearts will have sunk. Everyone expected MDM and Yaya to be overrun in midfield. In truth they were. Agree MDM wasn't the worst player, nastasic, negredo etc would be at the top of that list but to say he was our top player is laughable. Navas and Hart out best 2 by some distance.
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Most sane city fans???

Classic

Fundamentally to our team and the system we play is having a ball playing defender who links to midfield, sadly lescott can't pass 5 yards consistently enough to regarded as that player, get use to how MP sets up, he wants players comfortable on the ball which is why the cycle of players such as Richards, lescott, Milner, Barry is coming to an end, oh look, they're all English (alarm bells)

MD was nothing more than a stop gap and he's performed admirably since day one, performing poorly is a ridiculous statement and one which shows up a great deal of people's tactical savvy!!!!
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Exactly this, the whole MDM debate seperates the people who actually watch a game and make their own mind up and people who cant think for themselves so repeat what various pundits have told them ie MDM is a liabilty.

Name one game where he has cost us points/goals directly from his mistakes...

The guy is a stop gap, a warm body at the time when we couldn't get our first choice in during the summer. This will be rectified in time , until then I would rather have him next to Vinny than Nastasic or Lescott, who lets face it looks like he has a hand grenade at his feet if someone passes him the ball....
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I'm more than capable of making up my own mind on players, I don't give a shit what the media says I go off what I see and what I saw from DM was poor. The guy just lacks a brain. He doesn't think of the consequences of his actions. A good defender and midfielder always reads the game and calculates where they should be and when to make a tackle and when to back off.

DM just sees a player with the ball and runs at them like a dog in the park and attempts to tackle them without thinking of what would happen if he misses or gets out paced. It's this which leaves our defenders outnumbered time and time again. I will not put the Chelsea defeat on his shoulders cos it's not his fault Pellegrini is playing him out of position but im so sick of seeing the "lol those who don't rate him don't understand football" comments when he is making errors a 9 year old would get bollocked for.

He's 33 and has vast experience yet still makes schoolboy mistakes. I just hope Fernandinho recovers quicker than expected.
 
BurnCK said:
Why does he continue to play this ponytailed tw@t. .He's fkin useless.

Milner or Rodwell would have done a better job in the middle of the park.
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Not half as useless as this cretinous comment. Shite like this has no place on a City forum.

If Milner and Rodwell were the proven answer, maybe they would have been picked.

Now crawl back under your stone.
 
The problem last night was that one injury weakened 2 positions. Moving MDM to midfield weakened the midfield, and bringing in Nastatic waekened the defence. I would rather have left MDM at centre half and bring in another player into midfield.
 
Can't believe the stick he is getting. He wasn't great, but bearing in mind he was asked to step into a different role and considering what he was up against, I thought he did pretty well all things considered. He was a bloody site better than several others I could mention. My biggest concern was simply he was trying too hard and looked at the end of the 1st half he was a red card waiting to happen.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
blue ranger said:
I just don't get it with MDM Tolm and can't see where you are coming from.
The truth is that MDM has been poor since the day we signed him. Always has a mistake in him and his habit of diving in on half way line and leaving the rest of defence exposed is comical at times. The problem we have is that Nastasic has been even worse this season and the truth is kompany has covered for both this season.

Most sane city fans know the best defending partnership we have is kompany and lescott. Unfortunately lescott has never had a run of games. Personally don't think lescott is the answer next season but he is certainly better than the other 2.

Once every city fan heard that team last night their hearts will have sunk. Everyone expected MDM and Yaya to be overrun in midfield. In truth they were. Agree MDM wasn't the worst player, nastasic, negredo etc would be at the top of that list but to say he was our top player is laughable. Navas and Hart out best 2 by some distance.
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I stopped reading when you said Lescott was a better player - he's shocking!

Mancini knew it, Pellegrini already knows it - just as he knows Richards is in the same category.

Demichelis has had more good games than bad since his arrival and I am more confortable when he is in the team than any of Nasty, Lescott, Rodwell or Garcia.

If you think Demichelis wasn't outstanding against Newcastle recently, I don't know here we can find any middle ground?

Demichelis is a squad player who is being played because the manager knows he ticks more boxes than the others.

Is Demichelis the second-coming of Baresi, no.

Is he the shite he is being made out to be, far from it.
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I actually said in my post tolm lescott isn't the answer long term. I'd happily let him go in the summer. But in my opinion lescott is certainly a better defender than both MDM and Nastasic. Look at the combination last night of Terry and Cahill. Hardly similar to baresi as you say but very effective as a partnership. At this moment in time, my view is that lescott should partner kompany.

Regarding middle ground, I agree MDM had a really good game at Newcastle, but that level of performance has been few and far between IMO.
 
That "Pony tailed twat" was our best player last night, he was all over the pitch getting tackles in and trying to get us forward, meanwhile Ya Ya was having one of his stroll about games, certainly the villan for their goal.

The simple truth is they wanted it more, we still had more than enough chances to win the game but Dzeko was truly woeful and the beast not fully fit, even Zabba was struggling at times, the season has a long way to go yet and Demichelis will be crucial.
 
I actually thought he had a good game last night and was certainly not one of the players that should get any blame. I think our defence was hesitant last night but more importantly we were beaten tactically which meant when ever yaya got the ball he was surrounded by three on rushing players.
 
MDM did a job, sometimes a fabulous job, other times much lacking and poor but in a position he wasn't fit for and at an age that he couldn't keep pace.... Is that his fault? No. Circumstances dictated this acording to Peligrini.

Some of the comments I've read and saw on MDM are absolutley disgraceful. He was NOT the worst player out there by any means, there are quite a few contenders for that, however with a calm, rational, next day post match assessment it's a bit easier to understand the issues.

We have 3 or 4 of our best players missing, certainly two midfield maestros and one fantastic striker and also many players are injured but are still playing on.

According to Pelligrini, he did not have options, or at least fit options, Millner hadn't trained until the day before and Rodwell was only back as well. So MDM at least ahd the balls to try albeit it didn't work out.

Our 2 strikers had a mare, particularly Negrado, who apparently was also carrying and injury.

At the end of the day, we were beat by a good Chelsea side at full strength and we were at half strength. Move on, we're not invincible.

Slaughtering our players on social netwrok sites and forums is hardly a really mature and sensible way to help the team regroup.....

The one thing I do blame was the botched move for Fernando and Mangala last month. We knew there was no back up to the midfield duo and to hold out spending for a few extra illion quid, if thats waht happened, was as much to blame for last night as any player was.

I wonder how much the financial differece is between winning the Premiership and coming 2nd or 3rd, becasue if that happens maybe the few additional pounds that the heirarchy decided not to pay to purchase Fernando in January will come back to bite them financially as it already may have done on the pitch!
 
Think we all appreciate he was filling in for injured colleagues and in the absence of a fully fit Milner was probably the best option. The system didn't help him either. Two up front and alongside Yaya who's not renowned for tracking back.

The thing I don't get is people claiming he never put a foot wrong, missed a tackle and was our MOM.

Regardless of what position he's supposed to be playing, he let Hazard bring that ball down and in from the touchline far too easily. The fact that he's a defender by trade compounds it even further. Put the ball, Hazard or preferably both into the front row . At worst give away a free kick. After that he wasn't a position to influence the game as he was too slow to get back into a central position.

Does anyone praising his performance last night believe he was in any way to blame for the goal?
 
Blue Punter said:
Think we all appreciate he was filling in for injured colleagues and in the absence of a fully fit Milner was probably the best option. The system didn't help him either. Two up front and alongside Yaya who's not renowned for tracking back.

The thing I don't get is people claiming he never put a foot wrong, missed a tackle and was our MOM.

Regardless of what position he's supposed to be playing, he let Hazard bring that ball down and in from the touchline far too easily. The fact that he's a defender by trade compounds it even further. Put the ball, Hazard or preferably both into the front row . At worst give away a free kick. After that he wasn't a position to influence the game as he was too slow to get back into a central position.

Does anyone praising his performance last night believe he was in any way to blame for the goal?
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I don't believe anyone is claiming he was perfect. Those praising him feel he was badly exposed and did a decent overall job in the circumstances. We were second best in every department last night and other players did far worse.

No problem with constructive criticism like yours, BP, but verbally abusing players on forums is plain twattish.
 
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