Martin Demichelis

[ForzaMancini]

Because your question is irrelevant.

Although by asking if it was the "greater mistake" you are at least acknowledging that MD made a mistake himself.

Which was my point.

No need for you to get insecure and bring another player into it.

Hes got you there pudge, you sound like a politician

Im not arguing Kompanys share of the blame though.

I just stated MD made a mistake, not the "bigger" mistake.

Ive been dragged into an arguement i wasnt having.

You claimed I was just deflecting from Demichellis' mistake but considering the stick he is getting and the fact Kompany is getting away without any blame by the majority is unfair. If Kompany hadn't made the first mistake none of this would have happened which is a big point and not simply deflecting from the fault of Demichellis.

 

[ManCitizens.]

Those that suggest MD shouldn't have made the challenge haven't yet offered an alternative.

Perhaps he should have just run after him, but at more of a jogging pace, to ensure that he didn't catch him up. Thus allowing a few people on here to pat themselves on the back and say 'I told you MD is really sloooow'

** i agree he's not quick but he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by some on here.

He should put the attacker under pressure and trust his goalkeeper. When Evans got sent off during the 6.1 did you think he made the correct decision by trying to get the ball of Balotelli?

 

[Deleted member 58678]

Those that suggest MD shouldn't have made the challenge haven't yet offered an alternative.

Perhaps he should have just run after him, but at more of a jogging pace, to ensure that he didn't catch him up. Thus allowing a few people on here to pat themselves on the back and say 'I told you MD is really sloooow'

** i agree he's not quick but he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by some on here.

The last thing he should have done is bring him down in a situation to get sent off.

1. Leg it and do as much as you can to put him off his shot without fouling him, if he can't catch him at least we'd still have had XI men and Messi may have missed/Joe may have saved the shot.
2. Give up on it
3.
4.
5.
---a few more things---

1001. Bring him down and get sent off.

 

[RandomJ]

Those that suggest MD shouldn't have made the challenge haven't yet offered an alternative.

Perhaps he should have just run after him, but at more of a jogging pace, to ensure that he didn't catch him up. Thus allowing a few people on here to pat themselves on the back and say 'I told you MD is really sloooow'

** i agree he's not quick but he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by some on here.

The alternative was to chase him putting him under pressure and leave it to Hart to see if he could save Messi's shot. Messi has missed one on ones before believe it or not. The worst thing he could have done is what he did.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

No matter what went before, he stays on his feet he stays on the pitch 100% absolutely no question.

 

[pudge]

Hes got you there pudge, you sound like a politician

Im not arguing Kompanys share of the blame though.

I just stated MD made a mistake, not the "bigger" mistake.

Ive been dragged into an arguement i wasnt having.

You claimed I was just deflecting from Demichellis' mistake but considering the stick he is getting and the fact Kompany is getting away without any blame by the majority is unfair. If Kompany hadn't made the first mistake none of this would have happened which is a big point and not simply deflecting from the fault of Demichellis.

You said people jump on every mistake MD makes

I then said MD should stop making mistakes then. You have even acknowledged it was a mistake.

You then asked me wasnt Kompanys the "greater mistake". Thats not the discussion nor the point which is why its irrelevant.

You went off on a tangent trying to prove a point to someone who wasnt debating it.

 

[Marvin]

Those that suggest MD shouldn't have made the challenge haven't yet offered an alternative.

Perhaps he should have just run after him, but at more of a jogging pace, to ensure that he didn't catch him up. Thus allowing a few people on here to pat themselves on the back and say 'I told you MD is really sloooow'

** i agree he's not quick but he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by some on here.

The alternative was to chase him putting him under pressure and leave it to Hart to see if he could save Messi's shot. Messi has missed one on ones before believe it or not. The worst thing he could have done is what he did.

Defender has to challenge for the ball. You have the benefit of hindsight knowing that he did not make the tackle.

 

[ForzaMancini]

Those that suggest MD shouldn't have made the challenge haven't yet offered an alternative.

Perhaps he should have just run after him, but at more of a jogging pace, to ensure that he didn't catch him up. Thus allowing a few people on here to pat themselves on the back and say 'I told you MD is really sloooow'

** i agree he's not quick but he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by some on here.

Except they have

Demichellis hasn't got the pace to keep up with Messi. Messi is racing through one on one with Joe Hart. 9 times out of 10 he will bury it. We are playing well, holding our own against Barcelona. Demichellis has a split second to decide what to do. He sees the ball and when he made the challenge he felt the ball was there to be won. It's all very well to sit back and say he shouldn't have done it but it all happens so fast it's hard to blame him, same way it's hard to blame the ref for giving a penalty. A mistake yes, but an understandable one. Kompany's however was hugely out of character and a rare blot on his normally immaculate record.

 

[Bluemoonbaldboy]

I'm sick of reading such dire dribble of people defending him. For such an experienced player he switches off way to often. The defence is usually " ah but he did this...." The only plus side one of his hair brain dive ins actually worked for a change. Gives the ball away without looking where he's hit it. I'm sure he was brought in for a similar effect as Vieira in terms of winning mentality etc... but hes so far past his sell by date there are occasional flashes of what he was but not enough to justify his selection

 

[Ric]

I don't really blame Demichelis for that challenge, it was a split-second decision to go for the ball and I'm not convinced any of our other centre halves wouldn't have done the same thing.

I actually thought he was playing quite well until then, though we certainly need another top quality defender this summer, but the club are obviously well aware of that.

 

[steviemc]

Those that suggest MD shouldn't have made the challenge haven't yet offered an alternative.

Perhaps he should have just run after him, but at more of a jogging pace, to ensure that he didn't catch him up. Thus allowing a few people on here to pat themselves on the back and say 'I told you MD is really sloooow'

** i agree he's not quick but he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by some on here.

The alternative was to chase him putting him under pressure and leave it to Hart to see if he could save Messi's shot. Messi has missed one on ones before believe it or not. The worst thing he could have done is what he did.

FFS. You think MD can give Messi a yard head start and put him under pressure. Give me strength - you're in dreamland. The only alternatives were to bring him down or leave him alone. It happens with defenders chasing attackers down almost every week in football, and has been since before we were alive.

 

[ManCitizens.]

Those that suggest MD shouldn't have made the challenge haven't yet offered an alternative.

Perhaps he should have just run after him, but at more of a jogging pace, to ensure that he didn't catch him up. Thus allowing a few people on here to pat themselves on the back and say 'I told you MD is really sloooow'

** i agree he's not quick but he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by some on here.

Except they have

Demichellis hasn't got the pace to keep up with Messi. Messi is racing through one on one with Joe Hart. 9 times out of 10 he will bury it. We are playing well, holding our own against Barcelona. Demichellis has a split second to decide what to do. He sees the ball and when he made the challenge he felt the ball was there to be won. It's all very well to sit back and say he shouldn't have done it but it all happens so fast it's hard to blame him, same way it's hard to blame the ref for giving a penalty. A mistake yes, but an understandable one. Kompany's however was hugely out of character and a rare blot on his normally immaculate record.

You're basically saying the MDM mistake was ok because he always makes them but Kompanys was unforgivable because hes normally perfect. Are you for real?

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Those that suggest MD shouldn't have made the challenge haven't yet offered an alternative.

Perhaps he should have just run after him, but at more of a jogging pace, to ensure that he didn't catch him up. Thus allowing a few people on here to pat themselves on the back and say 'I told you MD is really sloooow'

** i agree he's not quick but he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by some on here.

The alternative was to chase him putting him under pressure and leave it to Hart to see if he could save Messi's shot. Messi has missed one on ones before believe it or not. The worst thing he could have done is what he did.

Defender has to challenge for the ball. You have the benefit of hindsight knowing that he did not make the tackle.

His odds were 10/1 at best to win that ball.

 

[uwe rosler 28]

Martin had a great game and got hung out to dry by a bad pass lay off the man FFS

 

[ForzaMancini]

Im not arguing Kompanys share of the blame though.

I just stated MD made a mistake, not the "bigger" mistake.

Ive been dragged into an arguement i wasnt having.

You claimed I was just deflecting from Demichellis' mistake but considering the stick he is getting and the fact Kompany is getting away without any blame by the majority is unfair. If Kompany hadn't made the first mistake none of this would have happened which is a big point and not simply deflecting from the fault of Demichellis.

You said people jump on every mistake MD makes

I then said MD should stop making mistakes then. You have even acknowledged it was a mistake.

You then asked me wasnt Kompanys the "greater mistake". Thats not the discussion nor the point which is why its irrelevant.

You went off on a tangent trying to prove a point to someone who wasnt debating it.

Agreed, you weren't making the latter point but so many people were attacking Demichellis on this thread it was hard to keep track of who exactly was saying what about him.

I have acknowledged it was a mistake, the same way Yaya made a couple of mistakes in the game, as did Kompany. But because Demichellis is the new guy who has looked a bit shaky, we'll all jump on his mistake. It's not fair and it's not right. If it was Kolarov or Garcia the forum would be the same, it has its scapegoats for every result and it pisses me off when you see a player who has given his all make one mistake and leave the pitch in tears and then only to be attacked online by supposed fans who should show some respect.

 

[ManCitizens.]

Those that suggest MD shouldn't have made the challenge haven't yet offered an alternative.

Perhaps he should have just run after him, but at more of a jogging pace, to ensure that he didn't catch him up. Thus allowing a few people on here to pat themselves on the back and say 'I told you MD is really sloooow'

** i agree he's not quick but he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by some on here.

The alternative was to chase him putting him under pressure and leave it to Hart to see if he could save Messi's shot. Messi has missed one on ones before believe it or not. The worst thing he could have done is what he did.

FFS. You think MD can give Messi a yard head start and put him under pressure. Give me strength - you're in dreamland. The only alternatives were to bring him down or leave him alone. It happens with defenders chasing attackers down almost every week in football, and has been since before we were alive.

Leave him alone then. A one on one and eleven men is better than a penalty/ free kick and 10 men.

 

[nobody can eat fifty eggs]

I don't really blame Demichelis for that challenge, it was a split-second decision to go for the ball and I'm not convinced any of our other centre halves wouldn't have done the same thing.

I actually thought he was playing quite well until then, though we certainly need another top quality defender this summer, but the club are obviously well aware of that.

Well said and very objective, some fans get too personal with our players without clear reason.

 

[ForzaMancini]

Except they have

Demichellis hasn't got the pace to keep up with Messi. Messi is racing through one on one with Joe Hart. 9 times out of 10 he will bury it. We are playing well, holding our own against Barcelona. Demichellis has a split second to decide what to do. He sees the ball and when he made the challenge he felt the ball was there to be won. It's all very well to sit back and say he shouldn't have done it but it all happens so fast it's hard to blame him, same way it's hard to blame the ref for giving a penalty. A mistake yes, but an understandable one. Kompany's however was hugely out of character and a rare blot on his normally immaculate record.

You're basically saying the MDM mistake was ok because he always makes them but Kompanys was unforgivable because hes normally perfect. Are you for real?

No, that's not what I'm saying. Where did I say Demichellis always make mistakes? I'm saying Kompany's mistake is 'unforgivable' because it was incredibly poor by anyone's standards. My point is that Kompany is normally immaculate so escapes criticism in this instance.

 

[steviemc]

The alternative was to chase him putting him under pressure and leave it to Hart to see if he could save Messi's shot. Messi has missed one on ones before believe it or not. The worst thing he could have done is what he did.

Defender has to challenge for the ball. You have the benefit of hindsight knowing that he did not make the tackle.

His odds were 10/1 at best to win that ball.

Eh? How the hell you factor those odds. Or did you just make that up?

 

[RandomJ]

Those that suggest MD shouldn't have made the challenge haven't yet offered an alternative.

Perhaps he should have just run after him, but at more of a jogging pace, to ensure that he didn't catch him up. Thus allowing a few people on here to pat themselves on the back and say 'I told you MD is really sloooow'

** i agree he's not quick but he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by some on here.

The alternative was to chase him putting him under pressure and leave it to Hart to see if he could save Messi's shot. Messi has missed one on ones before believe it or not. The worst thing he could have done is what he did.

FFS. You think MD can give Messi a yard head start and put him under pressure. Give me strength - you're in dreamland. The only alternatives were to bring him down or leave him alone. It happens with defenders chasing attackers down almost every week in football, and has been since before we were alive.

No like we said the alternative was to leave it to Hart. Messi has missed one on ones before and he could have done tonight. He had a slim chance of winning the ball and even if he did the way the ref was tonight he'd still have sent him off. It was a stupid decision, he fucked it up and rightly got sent off. I really don't get why there are some people trying to defend his fuck up.