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KippaxCitizen said:
Proelia said:
Nastasic is shite for awhile now , lacks pace and gives away staggering amount of frees
He was quite poor for a few games earlier in the season but since around November he's been fine when he's been fit to play. He's not as slow you think and he will make the odd mistakes and give the odd free kicks away (I do agree he does give a few too many away) as he's 21 he's learning the game and he's learning nowt on the bench watching Dimichelis unless it's what not to do.

Agree if we're talking about pace Nastasic looks rapid compared to MDM !!! Nasti just needs to play regular and feel Pellers trusts him, he looked a fine young defender last season .....
 
KippaxCitizen said:
Proelia said:
Nastasic is shite for awhile now , lacks pace and gives away staggering amount of frees
He was quite poor for a few games earlier in the season but since around November he's been fine when he's been fit to play. He's not as slow you think and he will make the odd mistakes and give the odd free kicks away (I do agree he does give a few too many away) as he's 21 he's learning the game and he's learning nowt on the bench watching Dimichelis unless it's what not to do.


I really feel Nastasic is making mistake after mistake. Poor positioning ,weak tackling giving away bad free kicks in silly places,very weak in the air and his passing isn't up to much either. And he isn't quick but none of them are.

I seriously think Pellers has looked very closely at him and decided MDM is the man to partner Vinnie.
 
Sure I've heard this week that Pellegrini has been recovering from two injuries whilst Clichy has had back and now toe injuries which have hampered him.

Regarding Demichelis, I like him a lot. A leader, and a proper footballer. Total commitment and captain material. He's maybe lacking a yard of pace.
 
Marvin said:
Sure I've heard this week that Pellegrini has been recovering from two injuries whilst Clichy has had back and now toe injuries which have hampered him.

Regarding Demichelis, I like him a lot. A leader, and a proper footballer. Total commitment and captain material. He's maybe lacking a yard of pace.

Get well soon Manuel....
 
Nelly's Left Foot said:
KippaxCitizen said:
Proelia said:
Nastasic is shite for awhile now , lacks pace and gives away staggering amount of frees
He was quite poor for a few games earlier in the season but since around November he's been fine when he's been fit to play. He's not as slow you think and he will make the odd mistakes and give the odd free kicks away (I do agree he does give a few too many away) as he's 21 he's learning the game and he's learning nowt on the bench watching Dimichelis unless it's what not to do.


I really feel Nastasic is making mistake after mistake. Poor positioning ,weak tackling giving away bad free kicks in silly places,very weak in the air and his passing isn't up to much either. And he isn't quick but none of them are.

I seriously think Pellers has looked very closely at him and decided MDM is the man to partner Vinnie.

I think you're right in all respects.

Nastasic's mistakes were ignored last season by fans & when when flagged, people played the 'young' card to excuse it. Young yes, he can learn positioning etc, but being slow & not very good in the air is unlikely to get better with age.

Demichelis is even slower, but better in the tackle, in possession, better in the air & can read the game better. Unfortunately, the game he reads is often like a clued up 80 year old on Playstation. He knows what he's supposed to do but it's already happened by the time he does something. He is a liability.

They don't want Lescott so we need a centre half to partner Kompany. He is well below par when he plays next to either Nastasic or Demichelis too & frequently fucks up.

Hopefully we can get away with it for the season due to our fantastic attacking ability, but the defence is basically shit.
 
Just to provide a considered point of view he was shocking today defensively and made at least 2 majorly naive mistakes you wouldn't expect of someone with his experience. Diving in on the half way line was one, the other was letting his man go for their second goal (looked like he was stuck to the spot). He might also have been partly to blame for their first goal somewhat as well but so was Kompany for committing too early.

He has a great header I'll give him that and I admire that he goes to players to make a tackle like Vinny instead of backing off until they have room to shoot but he doesn't do it half as convincingly.

Nasty last year was brilliant and he's not really had a string of games this year besides where he did have a couple of bad games earlier in the season. If he establishes a starting spot again I think our defence would be a lot more solid.
 
He is far better than Lescott or Nastasic at present. and All the whailing for missing a slide tackle at the half line is just Silly. Sure he makes mistakes. B ut they are still fewer in number than Nastacic or Lescott's. And he is a sone throw better at so much more, that it is silly to cry a river over it.
 
daxman said:
He is far better than Lescott or Nastasic at present. and All the whailing for missing a slide tackle at the half line is just Silly. Sure he makes mistakes. B ut they are still fewer in number than Nastacic or Lescott's. And he is a sone throw better at so much more, that it is silly to cry a river over it.
If only it was just that one stupid decision of a slide tackle 5 yards inside the opposition's half whilst they're on the break leaving it 5 on 3 in their favour...

He has a tendency to step up, lunge in and over commit. Which would be acceptable if he was as athletic as Kompany but once a player goes past him he's not getting back at him.

I'll never shake the feeling that he has at least one big mistake in him each time he plays.
 
pudge said:
daxman said:
He is far better than Lescott or Nastasic at present. and All the whailing for missing a slide tackle at the half line is just Silly. Sure he makes mistakes. B ut they are still fewer in number than Nastacic or Lescott's. And he is a sone throw better at so much more, that it is silly to cry a river over it.
If only it was just that one stupid decision of a slide tackle 5 yards inside the opposition's half whilst they're on the break leaving it 5 on 3 in their favour...

He has a tendency to step up, lunge in and over commit. Which would be acceptable if he was as athletic as Kompany but once a player goes past him he's not getting back at him.

I'll never shake the feeling that he has at least one big mistake in him each time he plays.

I agree.

Looks like we need to get another CB soon, if Nastasic can stop giving away silly free kicks and get back to his decent form, he would be ideal to learn alongside Vinny but can he?
 
Martin is decent back up for us, but really think we should be opting with the tried and tested Vinnie/Nasty partnership which worked wonders last year. Also have to say, the small minority of City fans having a go at a 20 year old lad for a few under-par performances this campaign need to have a serious word with themselves. Matija is widely regarded as one of the top five young defenders in the world at the moment and a certainly a great future asset to this team...we're lucky to have him.
 
pudge said:
daxman said:
He is far better than Lescott or Nastasic at present. and All the whailing for missing a slide tackle at the half line is just Silly. Sure he makes mistakes. B ut they are still fewer in number than Nastacic or Lescott's. And he is a sone throw better at so much more, that it is silly to cry a river over it.
If only it was just that one stupid decision of a slide tackle 5 yards inside the opposition's half whilst they're on the break leaving it 5 on 3 in their favour...

He has a tendency to step up, lunge in and over commit. Which would be acceptable if he was as athletic as Kompany but once a player goes past him he's not getting back at him.

I'll never shake the feeling that he has at least one big mistake in him each time he plays.

That's probably due to the fact that he makes at least one big mistake pretty much every time he plays.

He made a bunch today & also disappointingly turned his back on the ball on one occasion rather than trying to block it, causing Joe Hart to have to make a pretty decent save.

If you look at Cardiff's best moments in the game, Demi was involved in most of them.

An end of season defensive highlights vid would be interesting.
 
All our centre backs are important and I would suggest all of them will still be at the club come August when the situation regarding Lescott will be resolved.

Silly to off load any of them in January even if their is interest in Lescott.
 
Neville Kneville said:
pudge said:
daxman said:
He is far better than Lescott or Nastasic at present. and All the whailing for missing a slide tackle at the half line is just Silly. Sure he makes mistakes. B ut they are still fewer in number than Nastacic or Lescott's. And he is a sone throw better at so much more, that it is silly to cry a river over it.
If only it was just that one stupid decision of a slide tackle 5 yards inside the opposition's half whilst they're on the break leaving it 5 on 3 in their favour...

He has a tendency to step up, lunge in and over commit. Which would be acceptable if he was as athletic as Kompany but once a player goes past him he's not getting back at him.

I'll never shake the feeling that he has at least one big mistake in him each time he plays.

That's probably due to the fact that he makes at least one big mistake pretty much every time he plays.

He made a bunch today & also disappointingly turned his back on the ball on one occasion rather than trying to block it, causing Joe Hart to have to make a pretty decent save.

If you look at Cardiff's best moments in the game, Demi was involved in most of them.

An end of season defensive highlights vid would be interesting.

I agree, after a decent game the other day, he's again looked very suspect, we need a decent partner for Vinny at the back, his lunging in, so far up the pitch just leaves us open on the left, especially if Kolarov is caught out up the pitch, which happened several times
 
A rather different analysis of his contribution on here:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/287500/analysis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www1.skysports.com/football/live ... 0/analysis</a>
 
sir baconface said:
A rather different analysis of his contribution on here:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/287500/analysis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www1.skysports.com/football/live ... 0/analysis</a>
FFS don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.
 
Bewar3them00n said:
Neville Kneville said:
pudge said:
If only it was just that one stupid decision of a slide tackle 5 yards inside the opposition's half whilst they're on the break leaving it 5 on 3 in their favour...

He has a tendency to step up, lunge in and over commit. Which would be acceptable if he was as athletic as Kompany but once a player goes past him he's not getting back at him.

I'll never shake the feeling that he has at least one big mistake in him each time he plays.

That's probably due to the fact that he makes at least one big mistake pretty much every time he plays.

He made a bunch today & also disappointingly turned his back on the ball on one occasion rather than trying to block it, causing Joe Hart to have to make a pretty decent save.

If you look at Cardiff's best moments in the game, Demi was involved in most of them.

An end of season defensive highlights vid would be interesting.

I agree, after a decent game the other day, he's again looked very suspect, we need a decent partner for Vinny at the back, his lunging in, so far up the pitch just leaves us open on the left, especially if Kolarov is caught out up the pitch, which happened several times

Which is simply why lescott at the moment is vinnie s best partner, because he doesn't do these things, he sits off a bit and tries to keep things simple, normally covers vinnie when he's attacking the ball trying to "nick " it so to speak.
 
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