Martin Demichelis

[r.soleofsalford]

having gone to the final, it took me a few days to sit down and watch the recording i had set for the match.


i sat down with my wife who is only just starting to take an interest in football. one of her few comments was "that bloke with the ponytail is rubbish"


who said women no nothing about football.

 

[quiet_riot]

Hmmm did Vinnie make a mistake coz he was doing Demichelis job??

Where was he for the sunderland goal? Completey lost for pace and was in no mans land once Kompany was beaten!!!

Do you really think he did well and that Lescott would not have been better?

Did he actually win a header???

The Kompany that was playing everyone onside again?

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Hmmm did Vinnie make a mistake coz he was doing Demichelis job??

Where was he for the sunderland goal? Completey lost for pace and was in no mans land once Kompany was beaten!!!

Do you really think he did well and that Lescott would not have been better?

Did he actually win a header???

In hindsight, yep, that good ole hindsight, MDM COULD have occupied the space had he continued his run that Borini ran into, but I think that MDM thought that VK had him bottled up in the corner and he retreated to a more central area! I'm surprised that Manuel didn't tell him before KO not to go into a central area if Borini gets a lucky bounce of the ball!!

 

[john@staustell]

Hmmm did Vinnie make a mistake coz he was doing Demichelis job??

Where was he for the sunderland goal? Completey lost for pace and was in no mans land once Kompany was beaten!!!

Do you really think he did well and that Lescott would not have been better?

Did he actually win a header???

Kompany was sweeping him, that's the way it works. Vinny misjudged it end of story and instead of showing him out to our left tried to cut across and got behind him.


Lescott is a good agricultural defender but it worries me when people suggest he is any sort of footballer with the ball at his feet.

 

[Wrighty Wrexham]

Dont think Lescott is any good at all with the ball at his feet!

But he is a good no nonsense defender dont think he should of played aainst Barca but have no idea why he didnt play against Sunderland especially as Pants was played then why not Lescott!

 

[shemnel]

I genuinely think he had a pretty good game on Sunday, the criticism laid at him by pundits and the like is simplistic and bordering on prejudiced!

I still think he made a mistake by slowing up after he thought Vinny had sorted out the ball over to Borini, you should never just assume like that, especially near your own net. Only negative for him on Sunday.

 

[skybluepete]

Hmmm did Vinnie make a mistake coz he was doing Demichelis job??

Where was he for the sunderland goal? Completey lost for pace and was in no mans land once Kompany was beaten!!!

Do you really think he did well and that Lescott would not have been better?

Did he actually win a header???

The Kompany that was playing everyone onside again?

Surely MD should have continued his run on the inside once vinnie had committed himself to going after borini so the first thing borini seen upon beating vinnie would have been MD.
Watch a replay, MD for some reason checks his run and loses a couple of yards
Sniffing out danger and putting cover on for your defensive partner is what good partnerships are about and i just think vinnie plays with a bit of anxiety when partnered with MD.

 

[steviemc]

Hmmm did Vinnie make a mistake coz he was doing Demichelis job??

I think Vinny's man enough to accept that he should have dealt with Borini better. He certainly wouldn't blame Demi.

Do you really think he did well and that Lescott would not have been better?

Who knows if Lescott would have been better? That's total conjecture. What we know as fact is that the move leading to the third goal was started by Demichelis.

 

[BigOscar]

I think the reality is, MDM is great on the front foot, he's just about as good at Kompany for stepping forwards and making interceptions or tackles up the field, but he is a bit of a liability going backwards. Like it or not, everyone we play is going to do what Sunderland did, and just play the ball in behind him to expose his lack of pace (and his preference to step forwards). Strikers with any nouse about them will do what Borini did, fake dropping short then spin in behind and leave him for dead. This is going to put a lot of pressure on Kompany to sweep in behind him all the time, while also dealing with his side of the pitch at the same time, but I don't think we really have a better alternative for the time being, without drastically changing the way we play. None of our other CB's are really any better at dealing with ball in behind, while having other weaknesses thrown in at the same time.

 

[inchy14]

Hmmm did Vinnie make a mistake coz he was doing Demichelis job??

Where was he for the sunderland goal? Completey lost for pace and was in no mans land once Kompany was beaten!!!

Do you really think he did well and that Lescott would not have been better?

Did he actually win a header???

First of all he won plenty of headers.

Secondly Borini makes his original run behind Demichelis and with Kompany being slightly behind plays him on (not that we were trying to keep him offside) so he follows the run.

Now we can all question whether he should have been in a better position to cover Komps but if Komps either clears the ball properly or doesnt even make a challenge and just shepherds Borini down the line there is no goal.

At times in the second half they both took wild swipes at the ball which resulted in it being given away cheaply, however Tyler and Neville only decided to highlight Demichelis' error. It was the right choice to play him in this game ahead of Lescott.

All our centre halves have made mistakes this season yet everyone is over Demichelis' straight away.

 

[Blue Maverick]

I did notice when they were parading the cup to the City fans MDM just stood on the edge of the area with his hands on his hips not really arsed a bit like he does most games.

 

[Mr Ed (The Stables)]

Hmmm did Vinnie make a mistake coz he was doing Demichelis job??

Where was he for the sunderland goal? Completey lost for pace and was in no mans land once Kompany was beaten!!!

Do you really think he did well and that Lescott would not have been better?

Did he actually win a header???

In hindsight, yep, that good ole hindsight, MDM COULD have occupied the space had he continued his run that Borini ran into, but I think that MDM thought that VK had him bottled up in the corner and he retreated to a more central area! I'm surprised that Manuel didn't tell him before KO not to go into a central area if Borini gets a lucky bounce of the ball!!

Even I when I was a crap defender playing for a crap pub team in the 70's, I used to make a covering run behind to cover for what exactly happened on Sunday. I think MDM thought Vinnie would win the tackle and eased up. No worries hopefully lessons are learned, a number on here did warn that playing the high defensive line would lead to goals conceded and that has been the case. Next season we can't have MDM as our first choice partner for Vinnie. We must buy a quality centre half I would say thats the priority in our summer transfer business imo.

 

[Bluesiam]

Hmmm did Vinnie make a mistake coz he was doing Demichelis job??

Where was he for the sunderland goal? Completey lost for pace and was in no mans land once Kompany was beaten!!!

Do you really think he did well and that Lescott would not have been better?

Did he actually win a header???

First of all he won plenty of headers.

Secondly Borini makes his original run behind Demichelis and with Kompany being slightly behind plays him on (not that we were trying to keep him offside) so he follows the run.

Now we can all question whether he should have been in a better position to cover Komps but if Komps either clears the ball properly or doesnt even make a challenge and just shepherds Borini down the line there is no goal.

At times in the second half they both took wild swipes at the ball which resulted in it being given away cheaply, however Tyler and Neville only decided to highlight Demichelis' error. It was the right choice to play him in this game ahead of Lescott.

All our centre halves have made mistakes this season yet everyone is over Demichelis' straight away.

I have to agree with this. MDM does seem to get the short end of the stick.

 

[Platini Pollock]

He is in a difficult position. Regardless of what we think of him all opposition fans and teams see him as the weak link and therefore he will be targeted more and more in next crucial games. He is bound to make errors ( all players do) which will be highlighted by everyone ( including us ) more than any other player errors.

I hope he can turn it round with City fans at least....it can be done. It's not so long ago Nasri, Kolarov and Garcia were all seen as weak links....they are not at present.

So for all our sakes let's give him a break and get behind him for the next 15 games or so.

 

[fredmont]

Hmmm did Vinnie make a mistake coz he was doing Demichelis job??

Where was he for the sunderland goal? Completey lost for pace and was in no mans land once Kompany was beaten!!!

Do you really think he did well and that Lescott would not have been better?

Did he actually win a header???

He won lots of headers as he always does.

 

[Wrighty Wrexham]

Hmmm did Vinnie make a mistake coz he was doing Demichelis job??

Where was he for the sunderland goal? Completey lost for pace and was in no mans land once Kompany was beaten!!!

Do you really think he did well and that Lescott would not have been better?

Did he actually win a header???

First of all he won plenty of headers.

Secondly Borini makes his original run behind Demichelis and with Kompany being slightly behind plays him on (not that we were trying to keep him offside) so he follows the run.

Now we can all question whether he should have been in a better position to cover Komps but if Komps either clears the ball properly or doesnt even make a challenge and just shepherds Borini down the line there is no goal.

At times in the second half they both took wild swipes at the ball which resulted in it being given away cheaply, however Tyler and Neville only decided to highlight Demichelis' error. It was the right choice to play him in this game ahead of Lescott.

All our centre halves have made mistakes this season yet everyone is over Demichelis' straight away.

Because Demi's mistake usually lead to a goal being conceded

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

Ridiculous how everyone on sky is blaming this guy for everything and glossing over every mistake Vinnie makes.

 

[2bluejacko]

if DM had not put the ball in row z, like vinny never did... there would have been a lynch mob all the way to euston.

 

[inchy14]

Hmmm did Vinnie make a mistake coz he was doing Demichelis job??

Where was he for the sunderland goal? Completey lost for pace and was in no mans land once Kompany was beaten!!!

Do you really think he did well and that Lescott would not have been better?

Did he actually win a header???

First of all he won plenty of headers.

Secondly Borini makes his original run behind Demichelis and with Kompany being slightly behind plays him on (not that we were trying to keep him offside) so he follows the run.

Now we can all question whether he should have been in a better position to cover Komps but if Komps either clears the ball properly or doesnt even make a challenge and just shepherds Borini down the line there is no goal.

At times in the second half they both took wild swipes at the ball which resulted in it being given away cheaply, however Tyler and Neville only decided to highlight Demichelis' error. It was the right choice to play him in this game ahead of Lescott.

All our centre halves have made mistakes this season yet everyone is over Demichelis' straight away.

Because Demi's mistake usually lead to a goal being conceded

But they don't really do they?

You're just jumping on the media bandwaggon as a lot of people do.

Let's be honest, it was Kompanys mistake that cost the goal, Kompany played Messi onside, Kompany scored the own goal at Fulham, Kompany at fault at Villa.

Now i'm not criticising Kompany at all here but he hasn't been subjected to the same abuse MDM has yet probably been at fault for more goals against.

The bottom line is that we play a much higher line this season so we're going to be punished a lot more for any defensive errors.

 

[steviemc]

Did he actually win a header???

Yep, he won a total of six aerial duels. Now you may want to go through the game and come back here to dispute that, or you may just have to accept that you're not watching the game closely enough. Nothing wrong with criticism when due, but not noticing one header won when there were in fact six, is very short-sighted at best.