Media discussion - 2024/25

Metalartin said:
I'm not a fan of many journalists who report on City and I hate how the media try and gaslight the fanbase that they are being unreasonable/paranoid for pointing out the clear double standards(bullshitters)... But I do think people can go way over the top with Sam Lee personally. Also, we could do without giving them reasons to attack the fanbase or silence our voices even further. edit: If he's making up stories about being threatened with violence, that would be something new. That would change things going forward but the rest stands.

He's not a City fan and has not pretended to be but has covered City for many years. I think that's were the problem is with the 'snide' articles and angles that have popped up, if was just any other journalist some of the examples given would be bottom of the pile.

Though, I can't work out how he would know they had a lot of posts on bluemoon. Did he give his bluemoon credentials before offering him out? That would make it even more cringeworthy.

Also, wasn't there a journalist who did a piece for the Mail on the UEFA case/CAS verdict who used to be a City fan. I can't seem to find him or his articles, so I may be misremembering things. But I seem to remember one that rivals would use to add weight to the idea that City were in deep trouble because he was siding against City and the ownership all the time. You know the: "He's one of you lot and he admits your club is dodgy" bullshit? Maybe that has added to it and why people are so quick to point out 'Sam is a rag and he's snidey''.
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Sam Lee is quick to point out that critics can’t grasp his point or that we are paranoid & thick. What he doesn’t do is point to a body of work which shows fair & balanced coverage around the charges.

When it’s been said on here or Twitter he reacts aggressively & never considers the points raised. The original post said they called him out & he responded aggressively. The behaviour is consistent, he’s a ****!

If he wants to prove us wrong write the article on all the usual lies around CAS & why it’s likely happening again.
 
Ubiquitous said:
The fan who kicked off with Sam Lee is an embarrassment. Full disclosure I subscribe to the Let Me Talk podcast and I think it's the best city podcast out there. I think Lee is a good journalist - he comes across as measured and fair. He's an ex-Rag so that works against him, but I respect how he's honest about it and doesn't hide the fact. He also has massive contempt for United now so I enjoy that.

From what Lee said on the podcast this morning, the alleged bluemoon poster came up to him on the train and offered him out for a straightener but seems to have bottled it when Lee said ok well lets meet up at the station.

Kicking off with someone who actually does a good job and is pretty fair and balanced all things considered is really low. And to do it on a train is even worse, where there is no way to easily escape the confrontation. But then the shithouse appears to have backdowned anyway and not followed through with the threats?

Lee is a father of a young kid (whose a city fan!) he talks about it on the podcast often. Would this bluemoon poster have sent the young kid's dad home with a broken nose and a shiner, all for the sake of some pathetic perceived aggrievement over football?

Proper weird behaviour. It's the type of behaviour you'd expect from the recent riots, where dickheads were throwing bricks at the police for ... doing their jobs?

Looking forward to reading the weasel words of whoever the poster is ("I was gonna spark him out but he absolutely shit his pants so I took pity on him blah blah blah")
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Every single point you make in that post can be turned on its head and be written from a City fan perspective. So, instead of Sam Lee, let's say "City Fans", and instead of City Fans we can put "Sam Lee"
If you flip your comments it can be read in a sympathetic way for the fans... which it should be as a default setting on this forum. Not a journalist perspective. Because, as we both know, 99.9% of people reading this were not there at the time, so we are stuck with 3 versions of the truth.


The journalist who kicked off with the City fan is an embarrassment. I think City fans are good fans- they come across as measured and fair.

From what the City fan said on the forum this morning, the alleged journalist took some career advice the wrong way and offered him out for a straightener but seems to have been shown up as overly sensitive and confrontational when the City fan walked away.

Kicking off with someone who actually does a good job representing his club, home and away, and is pretty fair and balanced all things considered, is really low. And to do it on a train is even worse, where there is no way to easily escape the confrontation. But then the shithouse journalist appears to have had his baited words ignored anyway.

Many City fans are fathers of young kids (who are city fans!). They have had to put up with years of online (and in person) abuse from rival fans after unfair reporting of their club has turned the very name of City into mud. This has also affected the children of City fans at school and in playgrounds. City fans were hoping that their experiences when they were at school following the "laughing stock" of a club would be different for their kids; but no, it is worse. They are saturated with accusasltions of cheats by these so-called journalists. Better to be a laughing stock than a cheat, one fears.

Would this journalist have sent the young kid's dad home with a broken nose and a shiner, all for the sake of some pathetic perceived aggrievement over football that the journalist cultivated from thin air and vague rumour?

Proper weird behaviour. It's the type of behaviour you'd expect from the recent riots, where dickheads were throwing bricks at the police for ... doing their jobs?

Looking forward to hearing the uncontested weasel words of the journalist on his podcast ("He just came staggering out of nowhere and started hurling abuse at me blah blah blah")



You see how journalism works? How facts can be flipped and truth run out of town without getting a look in?

I am shocked to read a post like your original version. After 16 years of sniggering, sneering, disrespect, lies, racism, witch-hunting, fact manipulation, fact creation, fact obliteration, ignorance, wilful hatred, bullying, belittling, and vindictive reputational damage; you are throwing in with a bloke who is in the position he is in because he plays the 'agitating game' better than others.

Now THAT is weird behaviour!!
 
Metalartin said:
I actually came to comment on the double standards with Chelsea/Western football club owners vs City:

Does that sound light hearted(lots of smiles and chuckling) and on occasion very 'damage control'-esque to anyone else? "It's actually totally fine"

Kaveh Solhekol's body language and facial expressions, the lack of darkness in his eyes, is so different to what I've seen from him on matters like this before. I wonder what City would have to do to get this kind of coverage and balance?
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He really has no idea what he is talking about, does he?
 
burning blue soul said:
Every single point you make in that post can be turned on its head and be written from a City fan perspective. So, instead of Sam Lee, let's say "City Fans", and instead of City Fans we can put "Sam Lee"
If you flip your comments it can be read in a sympathetic way for the fans... which it should be as a default setting on this forum. Not a journalist perspective. Because, as we both know, 99.9% of people reading this were not there at the time, so we are stuck with 3 versions of the truth.


The journalist who kicked off with the City fan is an embarrassment. I think City fans are good fans- they come across as measured and fair.

From what the City fan said on the forum this morning, the alleged journalist took some career advice the wrong way and offered him out for a straightener but seems to have been shown up as overly sensitive and confrontational when the City fan walked away.

Kicking off with someone who actually does a good job representing his club, home and away, and is pretty fair and balanced all things considered, is really low. And to do it on a train is even worse, where there is no way to easily escape the confrontation. But then the shithouse journalist appears to have had his baited words ignored anyway.

Many City fans are fathers of young kids (who are city fans!). They have had to put up with years of online (and in person) abuse from rival fans after unfair reporting of their club has turned the very name of City into mud. This has also affected the children of City fans at school and in playgrounds. City fans were hoping that their experiences when they were at school following the "laughing stock" of a club would be different for their kids; but no, it is worse. They are saturated with accusasltions of cheats by these so-called journalists. Better to be a laughing stock than a cheat, one fears.

Would this journalist have sent the young kid's dad home with a broken nose and a shiner, all for the sake of some pathetic perceived aggrievement over football that the journalist cultivated from thin air and vague rumour?

Proper weird behaviour. It's the type of behaviour you'd expect from the recent riots, where dickheads were throwing bricks at the police for ... doing their jobs?

Looking forward to hearing the uncontested weasel words of the journalist on his podcast ("He just came staggering out of nowhere and started hurling abuse at me blah blah blah")



You see how journalism works? How facts can be flipped and truth run out of town without getting a look in?

I am shocked to read a post like your original version. After 16 years of sniggering, sneering, disrespect, lies, racism, witch-hunting, fact manipulation, fact creation, fact obliteration, ignorance, wilful hatred, bullying, belittling, and vindictive reputational damage; you are throwing in with a bloke who is in the position he is in because he plays the 'agitating game' better than others.

Now THAT is weird behaviour!!
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I think it's all perfectly normal that some people believe what a journalist says and some people believe what fellow fans say, but the vast majority just think journalists can't be surprised that if you fuck around, you are inevitably going to find out at some point.

Personally, I wouldn't believe most sports journalists if they told me the sky was blue. They have lost so much credibility in the last 15 years.
 
halfcenturyup said:
I think it's all perfectly normal that some people believe what a journalist says and some people believe what fellow fans say, but the vast majority just think journalists can't be surprised that if you fuck around, you are inevitably going to find out at some point.

Personally, I wouldn't believe most sports journalists if they told me the sky was blue. They have lost so much credibility in the last 15 years.
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Metalartin said:
I actually came to comment on the double standards with Chelsea/Western football club owners vs City:

Does that sound light hearted(lots of smiles and chuckling) and on occasion very 'damage control'-esque to anyone else? "It's actually totally fine"

Kaveh Solhekol's body language and facial expressions, the lack of darkness in his eyes, is so different to what I've seen from him on matters like this before. I wonder what City would have to do to get this kind of coverage and balance?
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That's a pretty ridiculous stance or take by Solhekol. You would have to be pretty stupid to believe that.
 
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