And not engaging with our critics is the net result of what we have today. Our image and brand is totally trashed. If that is acceptable to you, others and the club then great. However, it's not acceptable for me and it's not acceptable for a few others also I would hazard a guess.If we engage with our critics we validate their proposition and if we validate their proposition we will be forced to defend ours, but we don't want to defend ours because that would require engaging with our critics and engaging with our critics would validate their proposition.
But he lost his job. OK he eventually won a payout at a tribunal but the fact that he lost his job and career for speaking the truth about Liverpool fans was the marker that was set down. Fuck with Liverpool and you lose your job and career. Nobody has fucked with them since...He was 100% accurate.
And not engaging with our critics is the net result of what we have today. Our image and brand is totally trashed. If that is acceptable to you, others and the club then great. However, it's not acceptable for me and it's not acceptable for a few others also I would hazard a guess.
Colin Mafham ultimately losing his job has done more harm for football 'journalism' than people care to admit.
When in fact they were deliberately confusing the pursuing old bill by all pointing in different directions, known as the Spartacus routineEven then the press made them out to be little angels by all pointing out who threw it
Agreed. No one is suggesting we should start engaging with some of the loons on Twitter. That would be crazy. But it is standard business practice to protect your reputation and your brand. You would do that if you ran a corner shop never mind a global company. At its most basic it means we should always put a statement out correcting false information about us in the media. If Gary Neville says on SKY that we are "owned by a state" we should promptly rebut it on our own channels. We don't need to get into a big debate.And not engaging with our critics is the net result of what we have today. Our image and brand is totally trashed. If that is acceptable to you, others and the club then great. However, it's not acceptable for me and it's not acceptable for a few others also I would hazard a guess.
I'm not saying we start dishing out bans left right and centre or start firing off legal writs on a daily basis at all. But where certain journalists have clearly and deliberately crossed a line with lies or a direct distortion of the truth or a blatant attempt to smear our reputation (Rob Harris for example) then more robust action should be taken. For me Rob Harris should have been banned for a few months as it was a considered and designed plan to upset Pep, trash and diminish the historical achievements we had just made on the pitch and blatantly smear the reputation of the club. If you think that is an acceptable form of journalism and fair coverage of our club then that's up to you and that is fine. However, I believe he would have never have wanted or dared say that to the managers of Liverpool, United, Spurs etc in the same situation. But he knew with 100% certainty he could say it to Pep without any censure or recourse whatsoever - so he did. I agree an all out war on the media is a war you will never win and it would be foolish. However, we do need to win the odd battle or two to ensure the war they have waged upon us since the takeover is toned down or stopped.Yet here we are.
This is politics.
We have the Guardianistas on one side and the mainstream media, old money clubs, Yanks, rival fans and the man on the Clapham omnibus on the other, plus we operate within football structures run by and for those very same old money clubs, it's a no win situation if we engage, so we don't engage.
I'm not happy about it either, but I accept the reality of our situation, you clearly don't.
I'm assuming you're looking for the club to start banning certain journalists and news outlets, or perhaps issuing rebuttals which must be acknowledged under threat of legal action.
That might make you feel better, but what do you think it would achieve?
They have already started. Eddie Howe last week was the first shot across the bows. I agree it is going to be very interesting indeed to watch this one play out.What's going to be really interesting in the next few years will be the media strategy up at Newcastle. The same sort of things are going to be levelled at them once they inevitably start winning things (if they haven't already). Will they defend themselves any better than we have?
I think the signs are already there that they will be more proactive. Amanda Stavely has been very much on the front foot. That said in theory they have a much harder task because their majority owner is the Saudi Arabia Public Investment Fund (ie the Saudi Government). It will also be harder for them because Saudi is a much more repressive regime than the relatively liberal UAE and has a much worse record on human rights (at least according to all the lobby groups like Amnesty)What's going to be really interesting in the next few years will be the media strategy up at Newcastle. The same sort of things are going to be levelled at them once they inevitably start winning things (if they haven't already). Will they defend themselves any better than we have?
" Scousers are offended by everything and ashamed of nothing.When in fact they were deliberately confusing the pursuing old bill by all pointing in different directions, known as the Spartacus routine
no need for legal action i'd just have lawyers sat at there tables in the media refreshment room and quiz them and make them feel very uncomfyI'm not saying we start dishing out bans left right and centre or start firing off legal writs on a daily basis at all. But where certain journalists have clearly and deliberately crossed a line with lies or a direct distortion of the truth or a blatant attempt to smear our reputation (Rob Harris for example) then more robust action should be taken. For me Rob Harris should have been banned for a few months as it was a considered and designed plan to upset Pep, trash and diminish the historical achievements we had just made on the pitch and blatantly smear the reputation of the club. If you think that is an acceptable form of journalism and fair coverage of our club then that's up to you and that is fine. However, I believe he would have never have wanted or dared say that to the managers of Liverpool, United, Spurs etc in the same situation. But he knew with 100% certainty he could say it to Pep without any censure or recourse whatsoever - so he did. I agree an all out war on the media is a war you will never win and it would be foolish. However, we do need to win the odd battle or two to ensure the war they have waged upon us since the takeover is toned down or stopped.
Well, Eddie hasn't done a bad job so far pissing on the fires the RDAHMeedya, AND CERTAIN PL MANAGER(S) are starting re NUFC.What's going to be really interesting in the next few years will be the media strategy up at Newcastle. The same sort of things are going to be levelled at them once they inevitably start winning things (if they haven't already). Will they defend themselves any better than we have?
Bans are pointless. Rob Harris doesn’t go to games at the Etihad. Neither does Jonathan Liew. Neither does Delaney, Wilson, Ronay or any of the other clowns.no need for legal action i'd just have lawyers sat at there tables in the media refreshment room and quiz them and make them feel very uncomfy
Or use this link works most of timeOr, if that way inclined, copy the address and put it into archive.ph .
Haha wow" Scousers are offended by everything and ashamed of nothing.
This stunt they pulled after Joe was bottled was a riff off the old 'I'm Spartacus' 'No I'm Spartacus' gag they used to pull in Liverpool's pubs when the police/DSS/criminal enforcers came looking for someone. In fact, it was such a legendary thing around Scouseland that The Farm called their debut album after it"
Those are your words Longsight from a post over 10 years ago in March 2012. Brilliant sir.
We'd hardly started our success back then - somethings don't change :)
(Your post was the 1st link on a simple google search " joe corrigan hit by bottle")