Falastur said:TonyM said:I'm not saying that you need to suffer to have success. I'm saying that after suffering for a long rind you tend to be a bit more welcoming of someone promising a relief... As we were with Lee first, Takin next and finally the real deal in Mansour. Melbourne don't seem IMO to recognize the lottery that they just one. If they had suffered for a long time maybe they would recognize that and be a bit more gratious.
Fair enough, but I have to agree with greasedupdeafguy: if Mansour had come in in 2008 and announced he was changing the club's name and colours then I think you'd be one of the few people still on this forum.
Falastur said:momo88 said:greasedupdeafguy said:I can understand it, there fans don't want just want to be a Manchester city spin off, they want their own identity.
They've been supporting a club since its existence, then a prem club buys them out and changes everything about the club. I would be pretty pissed to.
seems to me a lot don't give a shit about colors some of are those united watcher in australia and now are moaning because of the sky blue color
but the club it self still less than 5 years of existence so or this shit history is talking is just way of bitching about City destroying football :)
Having been on their forums for 4 months now, I can't agree with this at all. I think I know of one United fan on that forum, at least who has identified themselves. I don't know what you've read to give you the idea they didn't care about their colours before, because there's not a single thing to suggest that. Before we came along, they had no reason to question whether they would ever stop wearing red & white. Otherwise, they've always been utterly committed to it. I'd say there's probably only 10% of them on that forum who would be willing to accept the change without concerns, and that's not including separating those who would welcome the change from those who simply will accept whatever happens.
I'm getting really sick of the whole "they've not got any history so why do they care about the colours" argument, too - partly because it's already been answered dozens of times now, including on the previous page of this thread. Why should four years (it's four, not five, FYI) not be long enough to become attached to a colour? Because we changed our colours when we were a new club? Very poor justification - when we changed our colours it was still the 19th century and football was barely a recognised sport. Clubs didn't know what identity was then. By the same logic, should we argue that Ukraine should have no right to resist Russia annexing its territory because it doesn't have the history to say that they think they have the right to keep control of their country? All that matters is that the Heart fans feel attached to the red and white and it forms their identity. Bear in mind that this is a team who have spent their entire existence being told that Victory are the "true" Melbourne club and that they should give up the foolish notion of supporting a weaker club - isn't that exactly what we were told about the scum for so long? How would we all react if Mansour had come in promising to change everything, and then had done so by turning us into Real Madrid-Manchester and changing our shirts to match Real's?
i agree with you :)xzbit04 said:First i'd like to see some respect from some of those wankers towards the men who are saving their Club from a hopeless failure and perennial jokes. Had a gander at that forum the other day and some were openly calling the owners cunts. Need to learn some gratitude and perspective.
Falastur said:momo88 said:greasedupdeafguy said:I can understand it, there fans don't want just want to be a Manchester city spin off, they want their own identity.
They've been supporting a club since its existence, then a prem club buys them out and changes everything about the club. I would be pretty pissed to.
seems to me a lot don't give a shit about colors some of are those united watcher in australia and now are moaning because of the sky blue color
but the club it self still less than 5 years of existence so or this shit history is talking is just way of bitching about City destroying football :)
Having been on their forums for 4 months now, I can't agree with this at all. I think I know of one United fan on that forum, at least who has identified themselves. I don't know what you've read to give you the idea they didn't care about their colours before, because there's not a single thing to suggest that. Before we came along, they had no reason to question whether they would ever stop wearing red & white. Otherwise, they've always been utterly committed to it. I'd say there's probably only 10% of them on that forum who would be willing to accept the change without concerns, and that's not including separating those who would welcome the change from those who simply will accept whatever happens.
I'm getting really sick of the whole "they've not got any history so why do they care about the colours" argument, too - partly because it's already been answered dozens of times now, including on the previous page of this thread. Why should four years (it's four, not five, FYI) not be long enough to become attached to a colour? Because we changed our colours when we were a new club? Very poor justification - when we changed our colours it was still the 19th century and football was barely a recognised sport. Clubs didn't know what identity was then. By the same logic, should we argue that Ukraine should have no right to resist Russia annexing its territory because it doesn't have the history to say that they think they have the right to keep control of their country? All that matters is that the Heart fans feel attached to the red and white and it forms their identity. Bear in mind that this is a team who have spent their entire existence being told that Victory are the "true" Melbourne club and that they should give up the foolish notion of supporting a weaker club - isn't that exactly what we were told about the scum for so long? How would we all react if Mansour had come in promising to change everything, and then had done so by turning us into Real Madrid-Manchester and changing our shirts to match Real's?
Great move for Duffer and MHFC if it goes ahead, he might not be dazzling the PL any more but he'll be a star in the A league.Citysmith said:Damien Duff apparently going to Melbourne. Interesting
http://www.setanta.com/ie/damien-duff-set-to-join-melbourne-city/