Interesting. Thanks for posting.Jews were not all expelled from Medina.
Only the three Jew tribes Nadir, Qurayza and Qanuyna were eventually expelled.
Prior to expulsion (and for the most heinous Jews, death penalty) Jews were provided equal rights to other religions.
The reason why the specific Nadir, Qurayza and Qanuyna Jews were expelled were because of their belief in the Promised Land and that only Jews are deserving of the earth (dunya).
When Islam began governing both Medina and Mecca and surroundings, the Constitution of Medina was declared.
It declared equal rights for ALL religions and tribes and to protect the territory from outsider invasion. Declared by the Muslim governor Muhammad.
One example is tax. For Muslims, they annually had (and still now today they do) to pay for zakah. The collected zakah is then funded to 6 Muslim groups of the territory, viz.
1) fakir (very poor)
2) miskin (poor)
3) aul (someone who does the zakah)
4) hutang (those with severe debt)
5) ibnu sabil (wanderers who are homeless)
6) fisabilillah (volunteer soldiers to protect the territory and all the religious tribes within).
Those who are not in any one of the six above are required to pay tax (zakah).
For non-Muslims (i.e. Christians, Jews, Druze, Polytheists) they are not allowed to pay zakah, but its equivalent tax which is jizyah. The tax are of equivalent amount to zakah with the exception that the funds go to the non-Muslim very poor, poor, jizyah, those in severe debt, wanderers, and volunteer soldiers to protect the Medina-Mecca territory. The non-Muslim volunteer soldiers are called dhimmis and they are exempted from tax.
In general, the order of the Medina constitution is protection of all Medina and Meccan populace from external harm. Even because of the Constitution that Mohammad’s staunchest (the polytheist Abu Sufian supreme commander of the Quraisy Mecca) who only intent was to kill Muhammad in their many battles were eventually pacified and became Muhammad’s ally. Muhammad had every opportunity to assign death penalty to the person (Abu Sufian) who wanted to assassinate Muhammad, but Abu Sufian was forgiven and thus the polytheist Quraisy and the monotheistic Abrahamic religions became interfaith.
The only Jews expelled from Medina Mecca and their territories were the Nadir, Qanuyna and Qurayza because they were zealots who wanted to kill the governor and all Muslims so that the land is only Jew.
Add-on fact, the word zealot is Hebrew because Jews were the first known concept of zealotry (even before Japan shinobi (ninjas) and the Arab hashashins (ie. Assassins)). The most known Jew zealots being the Sicarii who killed any Jew person against monofaith. Thousands of Jew civilians were killed by the Sicarii Jews.
During the Greco-Roman Caesarea age, many years before Islam came to be, the zealots and Sicarii were the militia (extremists) who killed civilians including moderate Jews.
The equivalent of extremists in today’s age include the Kahanist (Kach and Eyal being two of them), the Irgun, Palmach, Lehi, and earlier in the 1930s the ZFG in Nazi Germany, and the RZI in fascist Italy.
ZFG was headed by Jabotinsky who founded Betar, and RZI was headed by Weizmann who followed Jabotinsky’s Betar. Betar is pro-fascism and fascist state. Their Beitar fatigue is fascism.
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Thank you for confirming that Jewish tribes were expelled.Jews were not all expelled from Medina.
Only the three Jew tribes Nadir, Qurayza and Qanuyna were eventually expelled.
Prior to expulsion (and for the most heinous Jews, death penalty) Jews were provided equal rights to other religions.
The reason why the specific Nadir, Qurayza and Qanuyna Jews were expelled were because of their belief in the Promised Land and that only Jews are deserving of the earth (dunya).
When Islam began governing both Medina and Mecca and surroundings, the Constitution of Medina was declared.
It declared equal rights for ALL religions and tribes and to protect the territory from outsider invasion. Declared by the Muslim governor Muhammad.
One example is tax. For Muslims, they annually had (and still now today they do) to pay for zakah. The collected zakah is then funded to 6 Muslim groups of the territory, viz.
1) fakir (very poor)
2) miskin (poor)
3) aul (someone who does the zakah)
4) hutang (those with severe debt)
5) ibnu sabil (wanderers who are homeless)
6) fisabilillah (volunteer soldiers to protect the territory and all the religious tribes within).
Those who are not in any one of the six above are required to pay tax (zakah).
For non-Muslims (i.e. Christians, Jews, Druze, Polytheists) they are not allowed to pay zakah, but its equivalent tax which is jizyah. The tax are of equivalent amount to zakah with the exception that the funds go to the non-Muslim very poor, poor, jizyah, those in severe debt, wanderers, and volunteer soldiers to protect the Medina-Mecca territory. The non-Muslim volunteer soldiers are called dhimmis and they are exempted from tax.
In general, the order of the Medina constitution is protection of all Medina and Meccan populace from external harm. Even because of the Constitution that Mohammad’s staunchest (the polytheist Abu Sufian supreme commander of the Quraisy Mecca) who only intent was to kill Muhammad in their many battles were eventually pacified and became Muhammad’s ally. Muhammad had every opportunity to assign death penalty to the person (Abu Sufian) who wanted to assassinate Muhammad, but Abu Sufian was forgiven and thus the polytheist Quraisy and the monotheistic Abrahamic religions became interfaith.
The only Jews expelled from Medina Mecca and their territories were the Nadir, Qanuyna and Qurayza because they were zealots who wanted to kill the governor and all Muslims so that the land is only Jew.
Add-on fact, the word zealot is Hebrew because Jews were the first known concept of zealotry (even before Japan shinobi (ninjas) and the Arab hashashins (ie. Assassins)). The most known Jew zealots being the Sicarii who killed any Jew person against monofaith. Thousands of Jew civilians were killed by the Sicarii Jews.
During the Greco-Roman Caesarea age, many years before Islam came to be, the zealots and Sicarii were the militia (extremists) who killed civilians including moderate Jews.
The equivalent of extremists in today’s age include the Kahanist (Kach and Eyal being two of them), the Irgun, Palmach, Lehi, and earlier in the 1930s the ZFG in Nazi Germany, and the RZI in fascist Italy.
ZFG was headed by Jabotinsky who founded Betar, and RZI was headed by Weizmann who followed Jabotinsky’s Betar. Betar is pro-fascism and fascist state. Their Beitar fatigue is fascism.
What happened to the remaining Jewish tribes. Are they still in Arabia today
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They can't shoot down balastic missiles they can only shoot down drones - which never arrived.
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Weird isn't it. Missile after missile slaughtering Palistinian children yet we stand by and watch. Truly a fucked up world we live in.
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Jordan, UAE, Saudi Arabia etc all want peace and some have signed peace agreement with Israel.
You will notice that there has not been a single shot fired between Israel and these countries.
Israel is a peace loving nation and people. Don't take my words for it. Judge them by their actions.
For example, look at how they fight against their enemies in battle. They give advance warnings for civilians to evacuate before they attack. How many Arab countries have ever done such a thing to the civilian population during wartime?
Despite the constant rocket attack from Hamas, Israel still opened their hospitals to treat Palestinian children. Even the Hamas leader was treated of cancer in an Israeli hospital. They allowed many thousands to cross the border into Israel to work and feed their families (Egypt refused Palestinians this privilege).
Look at the war in Gaza. Many people will tell you there's genocide going on. Hamas figures stated around 40 thousand dead so far. This figure includes Hamas fighters, civilians plus people who died of natural causes. From a population of more than two million, this is not what genocide looks like. Bashar Assad murdered more than 500k people within a short period but no one accuse him of genocide.
Israel allowed food convoys into Gaza only to be snatched by Hamas. I wait for anyone to show me any country at war that allowed food into enemy territory.
These are some of the facts that drive my position. Not sound bites from the crowd.
What other people had someone else's land gifted to them?
And law of conquest was ruled unlawful (in international law) just when international law was being used to gift that land to the Jewish people. And not other land in the region.
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Some of your points are of course correct, however you can not keep denying statehood and brutalising a population and and not expect consequences, both on the world stage and domestically, the difference between Assed and the Israel Assed has never claimed any moral high ground and has never had any pretentions of peaceful coexistence with anyone but his own family and russia
Where does Israel want and need to sit? It either becomes an apartheid state in a few years (with the rate of Arab population growth ) or gives the Palestinians a state of their own, yes one can argue that there is plenty of space all over the Arab world for a separate state but that's not the point (personally I would have given them the Sinai Peninsular but that ships sailed) so it has to be a contiguous area on what we know as the West Bank
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Mate, the simple fact is the IDF have killed way too many civilians in Gaza, whatever spin you try and put on it. The majority of the bombing clearly isn't targeted or intelligence led given the civillian death toll.
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By the way already the IDF have lost 7 soldiers and they have not advance much further than 1.5 Km and then had to retreat, the trap has well and truly been set the IDF can not sustain high casualty rates so proportionately 7 is a big loss. the Israelis have a saying 'Stuck in the Lebanese Mud' easy to get into but hard to get out of my Israeli friends are convinced that Hezbollah wanted an invasion because war is what they thrive on after all it was how they were created in the first place
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I know what is guaranteed to get Israel to attack you and Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran have done it in spades.
Trying to kill Israelis begats a guaranteed response. Israel's opponents clearly wanted it and they will get it.- Israel is predictable.
Indeed, Israel's opponents couldn't give a shit about their own people. They want the genocide of 7.5m Jews in Isrrael and Palestine. Nothing else will do.
Sadly many on here clearly want that end result too. Talk of relocating Jews elsewhere is simply code for genocide as the Nazis did.
Israel can only give Palestinians their rights if they can be trusted. Sadly they can't be trusted at the momenr and and as things stand I can never see it happening.
Israel is not helping itself with some if it's actions but that is actually the result of a total lack of trust in the motives of it's opponents.
A spiral of death and destruction results till Palestinians and others see sense. Maybe the Israeli's being optimistic about trusting the Palestians too. But as things stand there isn’t a chance of that.
Till that day when Palestinians are willing to admit thar Israelis have as much right to coexist in the area then I will support Israel's right to defend itself against a murderous genocidal tyrany.
Sadly it isn't going to hange any time soon.
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