Middle East Conflict (merged)

[Bigga]

I don't think any of us including mr anorak will ever know the truth. The first reports were that nothing got through and gradually more official and unofficial footage of destruction caused by Iranian missiles is leaking out. There are good tactical reasons for Israel to claim the Iranian weapons were ineffective but clearly they are a threat which cannot be fully contained. It seems a lot of these missile defences strategies can be simply overwhelmed by an amount of missiles - part of the reason the US and Russia maintain nuclear arsenal's capable of destroying the world many times over. Any country claiming to have an impenetrable shield is doing so to manage fear and panic within its own population, demoralise the enemy etc. basically bollocks.

Straight to the point, sir.

 

[Blue and true]

Another Lebanese hospital bombed by IDF terrorists this morning.

 

[dublinblue12]

So, let me get this straight; only drones were used and the iron dome takes down drones. The 3 other actors take down drones and cruise too and the 32 remaining were drone and cruise.

What you're saying, as Iran used less than 10% of its weaponry, is that the iron dome isn't all singing and all dancing after all.

Especially if it needs help from other allies...

Personally I wouldn't believe anything Israel or any side involved puts out there, including their 'allies' without confirmation by some kind of independent third party review (maybe there has been)

 

[Blue and true]

Fair play to Biden for condemning any possible attack on Irans nuclear facilties, that was brave of him after months of watching all those innocent civilians being killed in Gaza at an unprecedented scale with his hands tied and not being able to speak out against it but clearly Israel just wants to get rid of anyone who stands against their aparteid regime and ever growing illegal settlements. People need to start seeing it from their side. The plan is that once they wipe out all their opponents, the fighting will stop. Countries like Iran would be better off just ignoring the Israeli military advancement and let them finish the job and this should all be over soon and the region can get back to being at peace again.

When he finally steps down he'll a give fulsome condemnation of Israel's actions over the last year. At this present time, it's still not convenient for him to do so.

 

[Bigga]

Fair play to Biden for condemning any possible attack on Irans nuclear facilties, that was brave of him after months of watching all those innocent civilians being killed in Gaza at an unprecedented scale with his hands tied and not being able to speak out against it but clearly Israel just wants to get rid of anyone who stands against their aparteid regime and ever growing illegal settlements. People need to start seeing it from their side. The plan is that once they wipe out all their opponents, the fighting will stop. Countries like Iran would be better off just ignoring the Israeli military advancement and let them finish the job and this should all be over soon and the region can get back to being at peace again.

I think I see your point re:Biden, but his hands were not "tied". He had options and chose not to utilise them because of his self-admittance of being an "out and out zionist" stated many years ago and non-action merely underlines this.

This is why Netanyahu has obliterated every "red line" the US has set, calling their bluff and showing the current US gov to be toothless on the world stage when it comes to its allies.

Or I should say where Israel is, strategically in the Middle East.

The rest I, very much, agree with.

 

[The blue phantom]

I think I see your point re:Biden, but his hands were not "tied". He had options and chose not to utilise them because of his self-admittance of being an "out and out zionist" stated many years ago and non-action merely underlines this.

This is why Netanyahu has obliterated every "red line" the US has set, calling their bluff and showing the current US gov to be toothless on the world stage when it comes to its allies.

Or I should say where Israel is, strategically in the Middle East.

The rest I, very much, agree with.

Biden is a fuckin Monster, When his Presidency is looked back on he should be remembered for the Billions of Dollars of Missiles he sent to Israel to slaughter innocent folk. That's his Legacy complicit in Mass Murder.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Biden is a fuckin Monster, When his Presidency is looked back on he should be remembered for the Billions of Dollars of Missiles he sent to Israel to slaughter innocent folk. That's his Legacy complicit in Mass Murder.

I think his (the republicans) hands are tied until after the election such is the influence of the Israel lobby in US politics. After the election (unless trump wins) I suspect the US will take a much firmer stance with Israel - probably why netanyahu is in such a hurry to get the atrocities done and ideally entrench the us in a conflict with Iran before then.

 

[Vic]

We are the dog to the genocidal state master. Our politic and media are controlled by Zionists. This conflict has shown the true power and control of the Zionists. Same for Germany France. We will watch live genocide but our media and paid politicians will only come out and condemn some fireworks aimed in the direction of the real terrorist state.

I think you're on the edge of what's acceptable. I think you'd like to say "controlled by Jews" but fear the accusation of antisemitism. It's not easy - the IHRC definition and examples of antisemitism tread a fine line of distinction between Israel's policies and Jews, but then the distinction is blurred by Israelis themselves so any criticism of Israel is decried as antisemitism.

Zionists living abroad is itself a self-contradiction. Zionism was (is still?) a call to all Jews to move to the Jewish state. Now that most Israelis are not immigrants but descendants of immigrants, how many still identify as Zionists?

Half of Israeli Jews are non-religious (Hiloni) which means they may be sceptical about the extent of Eretz Israel historically. Half of Israeli Jews think Arab Israelis should be expelled from Israel (not necessarily the same half or the other half).

Some of this goes back to the first half of the last century and what the Zionists thought should happen to the "indigenous" Arab population in the proposed Jewish State. That seems to vary from a rather racist assumption that lazy Arabs would be happy to benefit from the ingenuity and hard work of Jews to a realisation that usurping their land would not be an easy thing.

Anyway, that was really just personal musing as a preamble to sharing this article, a year on from October 7. It's useful, but is rather silent about conditions in Gaza and the West Bank prior to October 7.

A brutal year and a tale of two Israels: the one that is feared and the one that is fearful | Jonathan Freedland

There is a yawning gap between how the world sees Israel and how Israelis see themselves. If only each could see through the other’s eyes, says Guardian columnist Jonathan Freedland

www.theguardian.com

 

[west didsblue]

I think you're on the edge of what's acceptable. I think you'd like to say "controlled by Jews" but fear the accusation of antisemitism. It's not easy - the IHRC definition and examples of antisemitism tread a fine line of distinction between Israel's policies and Jews, but then the distinction is blurred by Israelis themselves so any criticism of Israel is decried as antisemitism.

Zionists living abroad is itself a self-contradiction. Zionism was (is still?) a call to all Jews to move to the Jewish state. Now that most Israelis are not immigrants but descendants of immigrants, how many still identify as Zionists?

Half of Israeli Jews are non-religious (Hiloni) which means they may be sceptical about the extent of Eretz Israel historically. Half of Israeli Jews think Arab Israelis should be expelled from Israel (not necessarily the same half or the other half).

Some of this goes back to the first half of the last century and what the Zionists thought should happen to the "indigenous" Arab population in the proposed Jewish State. That seems to vary from a rather racist assumption that lazy Arabs would be happy to benefit from the ingenuity and hard work of Jews to a realisation that usurping their land would not be an easy thing.

Anyway, that was really just personal musing as a preamble to sharing this article, a year on from October 7. It's useful, but is rather silent about conditions in Gaza and the West Bank prior to October 7.

A brutal year and a tale of two Israels: the one that is feared and the one that is fearful | Jonathan Freedland

There is a yawning gap between how the world sees Israel and how Israelis see themselves. If only each could see through the other’s eyes, says Guardian columnist Jonathan Freedland

www.theguardian.com

His post uses language straight from the Protocols.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Whilst we're watching Lebanon the continued cleansing of Palestinians in Gaza continues.