Middle East Conflict

You've lost the plot. Can you cite anyone for that nonsense?
You see it on here quite obviously where it seems it's extremely easy to criticise Israel on a daily basis but extremely difficult to find any real criticism of Hamas except from a handful of posters. Some posters stretch to believe that a country can and should make peace whilst a terrorist organisation holds hostages, it's just completely mad.

I still maintain that the current suffering on the part of the Palestinians can be ended tomorrow if Hamas surrenders. Israel would have no choice but to end its war and then it all comes down to diplomacy. This really isn't a difficult concept but it is for some because they would seemingly rather that this armed struggle continues.

The diplomacy is another topic and I would agree with anyone that Israel must be held to account for what came next. However, irrespective I'd say that this diplomacy is much easier than trying to enact peace whilst the bullets are flying.
 
I still maintain that the current suffering on the part of the Palestinians can be ended tomorrow if Hamas surrenders.

God I wish I was this naive.

Palestinian suffering predates Hamas’ very existence by about 70 years.

Everything to do with Hamas could spontaneously combust tomorrow and nothing would change in Palestine or Israel.
 
God I wish I was this naive.

Palestinian suffering predates Hamas’ very existence by about 70 years.

Everything to do with Hamas could spontaneously combust tomorrow and nothing would change in Palestine or Israel.
Has it got better or worse over the last 6 months following 7/10? The Palestinians have not benefited from Hamas and will never benefit from Hamas and currently more than ever are dying. Why is it not a sensible choice to therefore at least remove Hamas from the equation given the circumstances? I'm not interested in the last 70 years, repeating what has already happened makes no difference to how to end the current situation.

I don't see what else works, Israel is under attack at its borders and it probably isn't going to think towards something like a two-state solution right now (if ever). The only way to change that is to remove the aggressors or reduce the power they hold, or hurt Israel's ability to defend itself through sanctions or arms sanctions which is clearly going to an extremely difficult conversation.

If the attacks stop and the violence stops then there's a greater chance of something good happening because the west will be more inclined to pressure Israel to come to the table. The west is however less inclined to do something whilst its ally is effectively at war and even more less so whilst hostages are held in Gaza, the place where a Palestinian state could potentially be formed...
 
Has it got better or worse over the last 6 months following 7/10? The Palestinians have not benefited from Hamas and will never benefit from Hamas and currently more than ever are dying. Why is it not a sensible choice to therefore at least remove Hamas from the equation given the circumstances? I'm not interested in the last 70 years, repeating what has already happened makes no difference to how to end the current situation.

I don't see what else works, Israel is under attack at its borders and it probably isn't going to think towards something like a two-state solution right now (if ever). The only way to change that is to remove the aggressors or reduce the power they hold, or hurt Israel's ability to defend itself through sanctions or arms sanctions which is clearly going to be very difficult.

If the attacks stop and the violence stops then there's a greater chance of something good happening because the west will be more inclined to pressure Israel to come to the table. The west is however less inclined to do something whilst its ally is effectively at war and even more less so whilst hostages are held in Gaza, the place where a Palestinian state could potentially be formed...

The PLO has not only recognized Israel but is also Israel security subcontractor for Palestinians in the West Bank yet the millions of Palestinians in the West Bank are under a regime worse than apartheid South Africa and probably Jim Crow USA.

This isn’t a rhetorical question but under your assessment what has “giving up” done for them?
 
Has it got better or worse over the last 6 months following 7/10? The Palestinians have not benefited from Hamas and will never benefit from Hamas and currently more than ever are dying. Why is it not a sensible choice to therefore at least remove Hamas from the equation given the circumstances? I'm not interested in the last 70 years, repeating what has already happened makes no difference to how to end the current situation.

I don't see what else works, Israel is under attack at its borders and it probably isn't going to think towards something like a two-state solution right now (if ever). The only way to change that is to remove the aggressors or reduce the power they hold, or hurt Israel's ability to defend itself through sanctions or arms sanctions which is clearly going to an extremely difficult conversation.

If the attacks stop and the violence stops then there's a greater chance of something good happening because the west will be more inclined to pressure Israel to come to the table. The west is however less inclined to do something whilst its ally is effectively at war and even more less so whilst hostages are held in Gaza, the place where a Palestinian state could potentially be formed...

The sad truth is Palestine has never had more popular support in my life time than in the last 6 months, weekly marches going bring out huge numbers of people while Israel has been brought to court on genocide accusations, George Galloway is winning by elections “for Gaza” and people in the US are seriously debating the ethics of supplying arms to Israel for the first time.


It’s tragic, and it’s appalling that it took a terrorist massacre to put the conflict back in the worldwide spotlight and on the front pages, but if the Palestinian people followed your advice we’d just revert to the status quo - them losing thousands of people per year while Israel chokes them and builds more and more settlements and steals more and more land as the world ignores it.

Your solution is tantamount to sweeping the whole thing under the rug until the next flashpoint erupts.
 
God I wish I was this naive.

Palestinian suffering predates Hamas’ very existence by about 70 years.

Everything to do with Hamas could spontaneously combust tomorrow and nothing would change in Palestine or Israel.
I dont thinks it’s nativity.

There has been a long running narrative

Fool me once

Fool me twice…
 

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