Middle East Conflict

[west didsblue]

As I pointed out earlier the plan you mentioned offered the Palestinians, who made up 66% of the population, 44% of the land. Are you surprised they rejected it?

Especially when you take into account a mere half century previously they made up 92% of the population. Any Palestinian around in 1947 might well have wondered what was going on.

In reality two thirds of the 56% allocated to Israel was the Negev desert where hardly anyone lived so doing a comparison isn’t quite as straightforward as you make out.

 

[bluethrunthru]

They are trying this one again



which makes this kinda awkward

 

[The blue phantom]

No, you answer my question first.

And now a simple Yes or No for you.

Would the Palestinians be better off today if they had stuck to the 1947 UN Partition Plan?

And this is what we have. He knows full well the Israeli Goverment will never ever remove any settlers. Changes tack and ask me about something from nearly 80 years ago.

 

[robbieh]

In reality two thirds of the 56% allocated to Israel was the Negev desert where hardly anyone lived so doing a comparison isn’t quite as straightforward as you make out.

I take your point. On the other hand I believe the coastal strip running from Lebanon southwards was particularly fertile.

 

[cucumberman]

And now a simple Yes or No for you.

Would the Palestinians be better off today if they had stuck to the 1947 UN Partition Plan?

The 1947 UN Partition Plan of the 56%-42% partition as per accepted by Israel invoked the displacement of approximately 200,000 Palestinians.

However, in contrast to the Partition Plan, within 6 months after the enactment, IDF displaced approximately 400,000 which was 200% more than based on the Partition Plan; and by 1949 the total displacement of 750,000 Palestinians, which was 350% more than the 1947 Partition Plan

By 1967 and thereafter, the displacement was 1.2 million, which was 600% more than the 1947 Partition Plan.

So, based on the above, did Israel abide to the 1947 Partition Plan, or they disavowed days after the Partition Plan enacted 1948?

Here’s an analogy

Imagine that you are Palestine and I am Israel. You have a family of 10 people, while I am a family of 6. You live in the house for many years and have 10 bedrooms.

Because your house is I regard as my ancestral house, I requested for live-in and ownership of the house. The authorities approved that I take ownership of 6 bedrooms out of the 10 bedrooms in the house.

So, my family of 6 each live in a bedroom. Ergo room per my person. In contrast, Your family of 10 are given 4 bedrooms. Ergo you have 2 rooms each with 2 persons, and 2 remaining rooms each with 3 persons.

You complain that its not fair because they get fewer rooms for more persons. I interjected that the house is my ancestral home so I go vocal. I get support from my authorities. I invited my 2 other relatives to live-in so I get to own two more of your rooms. Now I get a family of 8 with 8 bedrooms, while you have a family of 10 with 2 bedrooms.

I also take control of your utilities, your water, your access in and out of your 2 remaining rooms.

How does the side of your family take it?

 

[Postman Pep]

The face of evil ..... and her genocidal husband.

 

[Palerider]

The 1947 UN Partition Plan of the 56%-42% partition as per accepted by Israel invoked the displacement of approximately 200,000 Palestinians.

However, in contrast to the Partition Plan, within 6 months after the enactment, IDF displaced approximately 400,000 which was 200% more than based on the Partition Plan; and by 1949 the total displacement of 750,000 Palestinians, which was 350% more than the 1947 Partition Plan

By 1967 and thereafter, the displacement was 1.2 million, which was 600% more than the 1947 Partition Plan.

So, based on the above, did Israel abide to the 1947 Partition Plan, or they disavowed days after the Partition Plan enacted 1948?

Here’s an analogy

Imagine that you are Palestine and I am Israel. You have a family of 10 people, while I am a family of 6. You live in the house for many years and have 10 bedrooms.

Because your house is I regard as my ancestral house, I requested for live-in and ownership of the house. The authorities approved that I take ownership of 6 bedrooms out of the 10 bedrooms in the house.

So, my family of 6 each live in a bedroom. Ergo room per my person. In contrast, Your family of 10 are given 4 bedrooms. Ergo you have 2 rooms each with 2 persons, and 2 remaining rooms each with 3 persons.

You complain that its not fair because they get fewer rooms for more persons. I interjected that the house is my ancestral home so I go vocal. I get support from my authorities. I invited my 2 other relatives to live-in so I get to own two more of your rooms. Now I get a family of 8 with 8 bedrooms, while you have a family of 10 with 2 bedrooms.

I also take control of your utilities, your water, your access in and out of your 2 remaining rooms.

How does the side of your family take it?

Look, my point is that the Palestinians do not seem to have won anything with war but utter misery and loss of land. After each 'war', as per usual, the victors rewrite the borders to their liking. That's how it is. That's how it has always been. If Palestine would have won then Israel would not exist BUT Palestine did not win, Israel did. Having lost a war you cannot just shake hands and say lets go back to exactly how it was pre war. You are at the mercy of the victors.
I go back to my original post.
The Palestinians need to forget war and concentrate on gaining the moral high ground and popular support by dropping the annihilation of Israel nonsense and promoting peaceful protest. Both sides need to be realistic, both sides need to compromise. And, perhaps even more important, both sides need to prove they are trustworthy partners.

 

[Vic]

No, you answer my question first.

And now a simple Yes or No for you.

Would the Palestinians be better off today if they had stuck to the 1947 UN Partition Plan?

The answer is probably yes. Just like native Americans would have avoided a genocide if only they'd said "of course you can have our land and kill off all our food sources".

Is this how you think?

"All the trouble is due to misunderstanding – the Arabs have not understood us, and that is the only reason why they resist us; if we can only make it clear to them how moderate our intentions really are, they will immediately extend to us their hand in friendship."

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

They are trying this one again



which makes this kinda awkward

Bbc have had a look round and found nothing too



It's just what israel does - lies and lies and lies, and murders and tortures people

Shameful that they are gonna try the same pathetic lies which have been disproven before, and that everyone is gonna sit back and do fuck all whilst they continue to bomb and murder everyone

 

[Postman Pep]

Bbc have had a look round and found nothing too



It's just what israel does - lies and lies and lies, and murders and tortures people

Shameful that they are gonna try the same pathetic lies which have been disproven before, and that everyone is gonna sit back and do fuck all whilst they continue to bomb and murder everyone

Yep. The infamous "command and control" centre under Al Shifa ....



Meanwhile...... every accusation and all that.

A Look Inside Israel’s ‘Fortress of Zion’ Military Command Beneath Tel Aviv (Published 2021)

The country’s military and intelligence commanded the recent assault on Hamas in Gaza from an underground bunker made for high-tech air wars.

www.nytimes.com