Middle East Conflict

The blue phantom said:
Can you tell me how they go about ending occupation and theft of their land. Should they just except it like they have for decade's, Talks, Or any sort of millitary action against the enemy?
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How about this, Hamas and Hezbollah surrender and they release all held hostages on the condition of beginning peace talks and ending hostilities whilst handing over authority to make this peace to the Palestinian authorities. They communicate this to the west who also on condition must moderate the Israeli response.

How could Israel possibly continue to justify doing what it is currently doing?

The occupation is not going to be resolved by war, it has to be resolved around a table and getting people around it is the problem. That still doesn't mean that people should die in the meantime.
 
The blue phantom said:
Fuckin lol. You honestly think the Israeli Goverment will remove all settlers and stop expansion if the Palistinians hold peaceful protest in their open air prison?

This is a simple Yes or No?
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They already tried peaceful protest and Israelis shot them. This is one of the many reasons why october 7th happened

In other news, Israelis pressing right on with ethnic cleansing and genocide:

"What, I ask, about the Palestinians who already live in Gaza? What should happen to them? She doesn't miss a beat.

"We should kill them, every last one of them. And if the government won't do that then we should just kick them out. This is our land. And we deserve it."

news.sky.com

'This is our land, we deserve it': Dozens of Israelis planning to cross border and settle in Gaza

When asked what should happen to the Palestinians currently living in the territory, one Israeli woman replied: "We should kill them. Every last one of them."
news.sky.com news.sky.com

Absolutely monstrous and shame on anyone still defending this genocide or not speaking up against it
 
The blue phantom said:
Fuckin lol. You honestly think the Israeli Goverment will remove all settlers and stop expansion if the Palistinians hold peaceful protest in their open air prison?

This is a simple Yes or No?
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If they peacefully protest effectively then, Yes. i.e Give up on the total destruction of Israel rhetoric and commit to mutually agreed borders. Just to be clear the Palestinians must agree to let the Israelis live in peace.

What would happen then is that the Palestinian cause would become the morally superior position and popular opinion would swing behind them.

As far as I know Palestine has never won a 'war' against Israel and, as another poster has already pointed out, no one ends up in a better position or with more land after losing a war. It's utter madness to expect the Palestinians to win this militarily.

And now a simple Yes or No for you.

Would the Palestinians be better off today if they had stuck to the 1947 UN Partition Plan?
 
Palerider said:
If they peacefully protest effectively then, Yes. i.e Give up on the total destruction of Israel rhetoric and commit to mutually agreed borders. Just to be clear the Palestinians must agree to let the Israelis live in peace.

What would happen then is that the Palestinian cause would become the morally superior position and popular opinion would swing behind them.

As far as I know Palestine has never won a 'war' against Israel and, as another poster has already pointed out, no one ends up in a better position or with more land after losing a war. It's utter madness to expect the Palestinians to win this militarily.

And now a simple Yes or No for you.

Would the Palestinians be better off today if they had stuck to the 1947 UN Partition Plan?
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Let me just double check. Are you saying Israel will remove all 700'000 Illegal settlers?
 
And now a simple Yes or No for you.

Would the Palestinians be better off today if they had stuck to the 1947 UN Partition Plan?
 
No, you answer my question first.

And now a simple Yes or No for you.

Would the Palestinians be better off today if they had stuck to the 1947 UN Partition Plan?
 
Palerider said:
If they peacefully protest effectively then, Yes. i.e Give up on the total destruction of Israel rhetoric and commit to mutually agreed borders. Just to be clear the Palestinians must agree to let the Israelis live in peace.

What would happen then is that the Palestinian cause would become the morally superior position and popular opinion would swing behind them.

As far as I know Palestine has never won a 'war' against Israel and, as another poster has already pointed out, no one ends up in a better position or with more land after losing a war. It's utter madness to expect the Palestinians to win this militarily.

And now a simple Yes or No for you.

Would the Palestinians be better off today if they had stuck to the 1947 UN Partition Plan?
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As I pointed out earlier the plan you mentioned offered the Palestinians, who made up 66% of the population, 44% of the land. Are you surprised they rejected it?

Especially when you take into account a mere half century previously they made up 92% of the population. Any Palestinian around in 1947 might well have wondered what was going on.
 
robbieh said:
As I pointed out earlier the plan you mentioned offered the Palestinians, who made up 66% of the population, 44% of the land. Are you surprised they rejected it?

Especially when you take into account a mere half century previously they made up 92% of the population. Any Palestinian around in 1947 might well have wondered what was going on.
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So they were justified in ignoring the UN because they did not agree with it? Sounds familar.
 
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