Middle East Conflict

[Vic]

Im absolutely correct. Not only that, it was swamp land most of it. Arabs started flooding back when they could see the Jews were making the land flourish. No interest whatsoever before this. Almost 1 MILLION Arab jews were kicked out of their countries in 1948 and very many retuned to their historic homeland. Further, the last time this piece of land was governed with a capital was by the jews 2000 years ago before most were exiled by the romans. 600 years BEFORE Islam. SO please tell me why Islam make such claims on the land which has been colonised multiple times, the last colonisation being the Ottoman Empire before the British took control.

"The last time this piece of land was governed with a capital was by the jews 2000 years ago" is a really odd formulation. I take it that it's part of Jewish exceptionalism, that their colonisation of the land was different to all the other colonisations before and since, including modern Zionist colonisation. Wouldn't having Jerusalem as a capital be trumped by having the Crusader "Kingdom of Jerusalem"?

Anyway, on this sort of argument the Jews took over a land flowing with milk and honey (not a swamp) in around 1270 BC, colonised it, were exiled from it in 586 BC by Babylon, then after the Persian and Greek empires, the Jews only had control for about 80 years before the Roman colonisation, then the Diaspora in 70 AD. So that's about 800 years of Jewish government. Excluding 200 years of the Crusades, it was under Islam from 636 - 1922. Over a thousand years. How's that for a claim to the land?

 

[cucumberman]

In response to your comments re. Gaza's and Palestinians - I have no issue whatsoever with palestinian Arabs having their own state, neither have jews or Israelis. BTW they never claimed to want a state until the creation of the state of Israel. Neither did they claim Jerusalem as their capital. Not even mentioned once in the koran. Speaks volumes. This is bc it's not about having a palestinian state at all.Thats just the narrative. It's about radical islam wanting the destruction of Israel......something they themselves admit and are sworn too. When Egypt and Jordan controlled the West Bank and Gaza, did they offer the ppl a Palestinian state ? They could have done then. A big fat NO... they did not is the answer. Thoughts on that please.
At the same time, radical islam wants to see the end of western values. This has nothing to do with whether I am a zionist or not. Millions of non zionists know very well what radical islam is doing and the chaos it is causing around the world. This ideology hates judeo christian civilisation and our culture and values. I love England. Do you see the pro Hamas "marchers for peace and ceasefire now" holding up banners saying ...Release the hostages ? Why not ? Im hating what these nutters are doing to this country in particular, but around the world generally. As for the ICJ.......where were they when America obliterated Afghanistan and killed 1,000s of civilians ? Where have they been since Assad has caused the death of nearing 1,000,000 civilians and still does ? Why have they not brought the Chinese leaders to court for their treatment of the muslim Uyghurs? Where is the ICJ for the 150,000 civilians killed in Yemen aswell as more than 200,000 dead as a result of ongoing famine during their war ? I could take you around the world with similar examples. I can only deduce one thing... No jews. No news.

The first line of your post you had no issue.

Then after, issues galore.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Did the Hasbara chatbo… I mean, @tel aviv city switch over to their burner account?

 

[Blue and true]

If your family or children or baby son or daughter were one of those massacred on 7/10 OR kidnapped. Then you had rockets hurled at you immediately after for days on end. What would you expect the British government to do ? Left or centre of govt in Israel would be pursing the same path as Netanyahu. So its nonsense about a far right government. It's utter BS. Israel are fighting radical islam. Israel cannot afford to lose 1 war. I assure you now that you will get to know more about radical islam when they start their bombing campaigns on the streets of England. Sorry to be the barer of bad news.

Good one. Spreading islamophobic hate and stereotypes. Israel are not fighting radical Islam, they're killing innocents and cleansing people of land they misguidedly believe is rightfully theirs. And if we were to ever come under attack, I'd expect the British government to formulate a plan that didn't include killing thousands of innocent children and women.

Don't even know why I'm indulging you because you're clearly down the rabbit hole.

 

[TinFoilHat]

The language of some Zionist posters read like Hamas supporters statements.

Just swap Arab/Muslims for Jew when reading either on this thread.

 

[Palerider]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. The Palestinians cannot 'win' this by force/military. They can only 'win' by getting popular opinion on their side. Popular opinion will only be on their side when they drop the total destruction of Israel rhetoric. They have to accept that Israel has a right to exist. Israel has to accept that Palestine has a right to exist. Once both sets of people accept that the other has a right to exist and live on their land then we can all agree borders again.

 

[The blue phantom]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. The Palestinians cannot 'win' this by force/military. They can only 'win' by getting popular opinion on their side. Popular opinion will only be on their side when they drop the total destruction of Israel rhetoric. They have to accept that Israel has a right to exist. Israel has to accept that Palestine has a right to exist. Once both sets of people accept that the other has a right to exist and live on their land then we can all agree borders again.

Can you tell me how they go about ending occupation and theft of their land. Should they just except it like they have for decade's, Talks, Or any sort of millitary action against the enemy?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Hostages ............. what are they again? Where are they being held?

Mass deportations eh? Arbeit Macht Frei.

 

[Palerider]

Can you tell me how they go about ending occupation and theft of their land. Should they just except it like they have for decade's, Talks, Or any sort of millitary action against the enemy?

I've told you before. They win popular opinion by peaceful protest. They are militarily inferior to Israel, they cannot win militarily. See Gaza for example.

 

[The blue phantom]

I've told you before. They win popular opinion by peaceful protest. They are militarily inferior to Israel, they cannot win militarily. See Gaza for example.

Fuckin lol. You honestly think the Israeli Goverment will remove all settlers and stop expansion if the Palistinians hold peaceful protest in their open air prison?

This is a simple Yes or No?