Middle East Conflict

arbabarshad said:
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And they are able to do that because they take advantage of the average Palestinian who had lost family or loved ones at the hands of Israel over the years.

I have no sympathy for Hamas or their leaders. But I do have sympathy for those who have lost family and loved ones.

It’s almost as if Hamas needs Israel to commit atrocities to thrive and Israel obliges. And in The process takes the opportunity to gain more and more land.

Hamas leaders gain.
Israel gains.
Average Palestinian loses.
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They do so through no democratic elections, intimidation and corruption.
 
robbieh said:
We're constantly told that Hamas want to wipe Israel off the map. But I don't think the Israeli leadership think too differently. They are playing a long game.

As for tactics, I'd like to know how the Palestinians are supposed to fight a stronger army who possess overwhelming military hardware.
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We aren't just fed this information in a vacuum - it's specifically written down by Hamas.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
So one in a century having done a deep dive on Google.

Seems like the exception to the rule, rather than the other way around.
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I don’t need to Google.
I’ll pm you if you really want a list.
Scottyboi said:
Just come across dismissive, he said it looks like attacks have started in Europe now (which I did say would happen days earlier in the thread) and then you posted about that poor boy in America not even acknowledging what Dan had put really.
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not my intention.
Apologies.
 
Ignore the fact this vid is from an American Christian news channel, these are just boys being brainwashed by Hamas, vid is 2 years old now bet some took part in last weekend.

 
blueinsa said:
Interesting read into popular support or lack of, Hamas actually commands in Gaza.

www.washingtoninstitute.org

Polls Show Majority of Gazans Were Against Breaking Ceasefire; Hamas and Hezbollah Unpopular Among Key Arab Publics

Recent Washington Institute polls have tracked Gazans’ views on Hamas and the ceasefire with Israel, along with a wider regional decline in popularity for Hamas and Hezbollah.
www.washingtoninstitute.org www.washingtoninstitute.org
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Basically under the dictatorship of a terror organisation and any dissenters would be murdered with no repercussions.
 
We seem to be back and forth here, I think everyone can agree the Hamas attack on ordinary civilians was a barbaric tragedy and Israel has a right to defend itself

But to what degree? Does the attack give the Israelis cart blanch on the people of Gaza?

I’ve heard the argument from Israelis that the US and it’s allies almost destroyed Mosel in Iraq and destroyed Isis, I really don’t think the two situations are comparable, for a start Isis was more of an insurgent movement rather than a liberation movement as most Palestinian groups class themselves

Can everyone agree that killing non combatants is wrong and is counter productive

Can we also agree that there has been a rather brutal occupation of the West Bank and other territories and ordinary Palestinians have got the shitty end of stick, they have been cursed with bad leadership unable to compromise

A starting point for is both population should be able to live in peace in their own states can every one agree with that?
 
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