Middle East Conflict

But why would the Palestinians ‘leave them alone’. Why should the Palestinians have been made to pay with their land because of Europes anti-semitic crimes. Why would they leave them alone as during the course of those 75 years more and more land has been systematically stolen, whilst countless innocents have been brutalised and murdered. All the while the rest of the world sat back and has allowed it to happen with zero recourse for the perpetrators? Where has diplomacy got them in the past 75 years?
For a peacefull existence maybe ?
For clarification my response is just to the first question , im not going to reply to any of the rest as you obviously believe that Isreal should have been wiped out and not tried to defend itself
 
There are no winners in this. It's painfully ironic that for all the intellectual and technological progress humanity has made, religion is the one thing that will bring it all down.
Nah, if it wasn't religion it would be something else tribal. That's the nature of the beast. Even this conflict isn't about theological differences.
 
The solution to this particular mess is, theoretically at least, straightforward. Like Israel has with the Gulf States, the three sides (Israel, Egypt & Hamas) get talking, under the auspices of a neutral party.

  • Hamas agrees to recognise Israel and cease military and other attacks.
  • Israel recognises Hamas as the appointed representative of the people of Gaza (I doubt there's any prospect of free and fair elections in the short term).
  • Israel & Egypt agree to open the border, maybe under neutral supervision initially, and relax controls.
  • Investment from the US, EU, China, India etc is directed to improve the lives of the people of Gaza and make them self-sufficient.
  • Arab countries agree to offer citizenship to anyone who doesn't want to remain in Gaza.
  • After a period of time, say 5 years, Israel recognises Gaza as an independent state.
But theory and practice are, unfortunately two different things. If Hamas genuinely wanted a free, independent Gaza, they could have had that by now. But their current aim is the destruction of Israel.

Would Israel watering down the right of Jewish return and taking in some friendly Gazans into Israel proper also go someway to building some common ground?
 
For a peacefull existence maybe ?
For clarification my response is just to the first question , im not going to reply to any of the rest as you obviously believe that Isreal should have been wiped out and not tried to defend itself
You can't subjugate, beat and oppress a peoples and expect no reaction. That's the fairy tale here - that you can behave that way and expect them to take it lying down. These people have nothing - no hope, no freedom, and no security. They would rather die on their feet fighting then be subjugated.

There needs to be international intervention, and the UN needs to hold Israel to account for breaking the numerous international laws and Geneva convention protocols.
 
You can't subjugate, beat and oppress a peoples and expect no reaction. That's the fairy tale here - that you can behave that way and expect them to take it lying down. These people have nothing - no hope, no freedom, and no security. They would rather die on their feet fighting then be subjugated.

There needs to be international intervention, and the UN needs to hold Israel to account for breaking the numerous international laws and Geneva convention protocols.

What would you have the UN do with Hamas as part of this intervention?
 
What would you have the UN do with Hamas as part of this intervention?
Disband them and prosecute them for their crimes along with the IDF and settler terrorists. But this is just fairy tale stuff as we all know one side is immune to any form of prosecution.
 
Disband them and prosecute them for their crimes along with the IDF and setteller terrorists. But this is just fairy tale stuff as we all know one side is immune to any form of prosecution.

I’d say both are immune given Hamas leadership are all living a nice life in Qatar.
 

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