Okay, you haven't seen pictures then at all, have you?Come on. I should have said part of it was flattened but the damage was definitely more than a few cars. First reports widely reported a number of strikes, so if it wasn’t Palestinian rockets it must have been more than one? Or were those initial reports wrong? Genuine question. But as I was trying to say no one knows what is true or false at the moment.
I still personally think it’s more likely to be Israel.
I am an American Citizen, yes. But this dichotomy isn't restrained by borders.I believe you are American, therefore what you are saying here makes sense only if you replace the Left with Liberal.
Once you understand that the UK left is very different to the US left will that make sense, the UK left has historically viewed society through the lens of class and Capital being the exploiter of the working class.The working class is multi faceted and can be any combination of your ideas of oppressed and oppressor. Your post does go some way to explain the right in the UK is using your premise to promote culture wars between Conservative and Liberals.
That's simple the 'Rich vs Poor' version of the same Oppressor/Oppressed dichotomy. The reality is that most relationships are not necessarily governed by this dichotomy because relationships are in fact very complex.class and Capital being the exploiter of the working class.
They haven’t bothered for the last thousand years, why should they be thinking about starting now :-(I think one thing we can all agree on is that we'll never see peace in the middle east
Out of interest, what proof do you have, outside of the PA telling you it was, that Israel was responsible, bearing in mind all the evidence that has since come to light?It seems a bit far fetched to me that it wasn’t Israel. Hard to know with so much unverified reports but it isn’t the first time Israel have attacked Palestinians and denied it to only later be proven to have lied. Do we believe Hamas could flatten a hospital? Do we believe they’d do it against their own people (as evil as they are). And thinking Iran or another country could secretly bomb Gaza is ludicrous.
The Israelis are bombing the shit out of Gaza so more likely they unintentionally targeted the hospital and are now using propaganda for damage limitation. Or even worse targeted it in the belief Hamas soldiers were hiding out there (which could be true) with a callous disregard for civilian life. Again, not sure how true this is, but you do have reports that the Israelis warned people to evacuate the hospital before the attack happened.
I fear Isreal did it. The US know it but typically their own foreign policy dictates any course of action rather than a moral one. At the end of the day if the US were to side with Palestine on this then Iran could have justification to join the war against Israel with leas fear of retribution from the west but if that does happen hello world war 3 - hence the US siding with Israel on this regardless of who is responsible.
Ummm it's seems all a bit to convenient to me. The truth is you can't trust one sides story over the other. I asked someone on here earlier who had explained in detail how IJ had the capability to launch a missile with a war head big enough to do that damage. Hamas clearly do not. When I asked the poster if the IDF had a missile or bomb that could detonate and cause similar damage the poster refused to elaborate or discuss.
Interesting that the BBC said that when questioned about the type of damage caused, military experts didn't say that the IDF didn't have bombs that could cause that damage. They said the bombs they usually used didn't cause that type of damage. IE not definitive.
Yes, the IDF is a government agency. One would have to be dumb to think they can't lie. They can and have in the past. This is true of all governments. By the way, Hamas is a government too.So i ask you this have Isreal ever been economic with the truth or just made stuff up in to cover a mistake they have made in the past. If you accept that they have, then you have to have doubt on the IDF claims that it was an IJ rocket.
I supose in conclusion I am just open minded about who caused this particular act.
saying you support a 2 state solution is easy until you actually realise that means bulldozing the 244+ Israeli settlements built on Palestinian land.
Because you can’t expect Palestinians to accept a 2 state solution where Israel takes even more of their land than they had 35 years ago.
That’s why Likud and Netenyahu built them, they know it makes a 2 state soliton impossible.
No, I wasn't.Ironically werent you were one of those leftists who could not see past “west bad” over the Us involvement in Ukraine?
Well he is a self-confessed Zionist.Biden with his unwavering support for the terrorist state is also unsurprising.
Twitter (x)Out of interest, what proof do you have, outside of the PA telling you it was, that Israel was responsible, bearing in mind all the evidence that has since come to light?
Well if you were Hamas and you were aware of what rockets you and your terrorist friends were launching . Ie no big ones. Then you would pretty quickly be able to establish that it wasn't your side would you not??Yes, the IDF is a government agency. One would have to be dumb to think they can't lie. They can and have in the past. This is true of all governments. By the way, Hamas is a government too.
I'm not suggesting I e can't lie, I'm suggesting both Hamas and the IDF has given us their evidence, of the 2 the IDFs is a thousand times more credible.
Even down to timing. Within minutes of the explosion, Hamas knew it was IDF rocket and that 500 people had been killed. I agree with the IDF soldier that pointed out that was ridiculous to believe...
At the time of the news even I thought it that was ridiculously fast.
In conclusion, I agree one can't know with certainty, but from the evidence I'm fairly certain where I lean.