I've said this before and I'll say it again. The Palestinians cannot 'win' this by force/military. They can only 'win' by getting popular opinion on their side. Popular opinion will only be on their side when they drop the total destruction of Israel rhetoric. They have to accept that Israel has a right to exist. Israel has to accept that Palestine has a right to exist. Once both sets of people accept that the other has a right to exist and live on their land then we can all agree borders again.
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The blue phantom
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Can you tell me how they go about ending occupation and theft of their land. Should they just except it like they have for decade's, Talks, Or any sort of millitary action against the enemy?
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Hostages ............. what are they again? Where are they being held?
Mass deportations eh? Arbeit Macht Frei.
Mass deportations eh? Arbeit Macht Frei.
I've told you before. They win popular opinion by peaceful protest. They are militarily inferior to Israel, they cannot win militarily. See Gaza for example.
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Fuckin lol. You honestly think the Israeli Goverment will remove all settlers and stop expansion if the Palistinians hold peaceful protest in their open air prison?
This is a simple Yes or No?
bluethrunthru
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cry me a fucking river
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How about this, Hamas and Hezbollah surrender and they release all held hostages on the condition of beginning peace talks and ending hostilities whilst handing over authority to make this peace to the Palestinian authorities. They communicate this to the west who also on condition must moderate the Israeli response.
How could Israel possibly continue to justify doing what it is currently doing?
The occupation is not going to be resolved by war, it has to be resolved around a table and getting people around it is the problem. That still doesn't mean that people should die in the meantime.
The Fat el Hombre
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They already tried peaceful protest and Israelis shot them. This is one of the many reasons why october 7th happened
In other news, Israelis pressing right on with ethnic cleansing and genocide:
"What, I ask, about the Palestinians who already live in Gaza? What should happen to them? She doesn't miss a beat.
"We should kill them, every last one of them. And if the government won't do that then we should just kick them out. This is our land. And we deserve it."
'This is our land, we deserve it': Dozens of Israelis planning to cross border and settle in Gaza
When asked what should happen to the Palestinians currently living in the territory, one Israeli woman replied: "We should kill them. Every last one of them."
Absolutely monstrous and shame on anyone still defending this genocide or not speaking up against it
If they peacefully protest effectively then, Yes. i.e Give up on the total destruction of Israel rhetoric and commit to mutually agreed borders. Just to be clear the Palestinians must agree to let the Israelis live in peace.
What would happen then is that the Palestinian cause would become the morally superior position and popular opinion would swing behind them.
As far as I know Palestine has never won a 'war' against Israel and, as another poster has already pointed out, no one ends up in a better position or with more land after losing a war. It's utter madness to expect the Palestinians to win this militarily.
And now a simple Yes or No for you.
Would the Palestinians be better off today if they had stuck to the 1947 UN Partition Plan?
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Let me just double check. Are you saying Israel will remove all 700'000 Illegal settlers?
The blue phantom
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You've kinda gotta answer the question I asked. Will Israel remove the 700'000 settlers if Palistinians behave themselves in their open air prison?
As I pointed out earlier the plan you mentioned offered the Palestinians, who made up 66% of the population, 44% of the land. Are you surprised they rejected it?
Especially when you take into account a mere half century previously they made up 92% of the population. Any Palestinian around in 1947 might well have wondered what was going on.
So they were justified in ignoring the UN because they did not agree with it? Sounds familar.
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In reality two thirds of the 56% allocated to Israel was the Negev desert where hardly anyone lived so doing a comparison isn’t quite as straightforward as you make out.
bluethrunthru
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They are trying this one again
which makes this kinda awkward
which makes this kinda awkward
The blue phantom
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And this is what we have. He knows full well the Israeli Goverment will never ever remove any settlers. Changes tack and ask me about something from nearly 80 years ago.
I take your point. On the other hand I believe the coastal strip running from Lebanon southwards was particularly fertile.
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The 1947 UN Partition Plan of the 56%-42% partition as per accepted by Israel invoked the displacement of approximately 200,000 Palestinians.
However, in contrast to the Partition Plan, within 6 months after the enactment, IDF displaced approximately 400,000 which was 200% more than based on the Partition Plan; and by 1949 the total displacement of 750,000 Palestinians, which was 350% more than the 1947 Partition Plan
By 1967 and thereafter, the displacement was 1.2 million, which was 600% more than the 1947 Partition Plan.
So, based on the above, did Israel abide to the 1947 Partition Plan, or they disavowed days after the Partition Plan enacted 1948?
Here’s an analogy
Imagine that you are Palestine and I am Israel. You have a family of 10 people, while I am a family of 6. You live in the house for many years and have 10 bedrooms.
Because your house is I regard as my ancestral house, I requested for live-in and ownership of the house. The authorities approved that I take ownership of 6 bedrooms out of the 10 bedrooms in the house.
So, my family of 6 each live in a bedroom. Ergo room per my person. In contrast, Your family of 10 are given 4 bedrooms. Ergo you have 2 rooms each with 2 persons, and 2 remaining rooms each with 3 persons.
You complain that its not fair because they get fewer rooms for more persons. I interjected that the house is my ancestral home so I go vocal. I get support from my authorities. I invited my 2 other relatives to live-in so I get to own two more of your rooms. Now I get a family of 8 with 8 bedrooms, while you have a family of 10 with 2 bedrooms.
I also take control of your utilities, your water, your access in and out of your 2 remaining rooms.
How does the side of your family take it?