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PSmyth07 said:
Neil McNab said:
Ireland's best season was OK, still went missing a lot, had a lot of goals set up for him which made it look a whole lot better. Milner was the hub of a team that achieved a lot more than us in Ireland's best year. Finally Milner has everything right between his ears, Ireland is a complete fruit cake!

His best season was OK? He got player of the year at City. To have an OK season and still pip it over the likes of Robinho is remarkable.

Its just so typical and easy to cast someone off when they have a bad season. Milner is no better Ireland, both have strengths and weaknesses. If you take a look at the bigger picture, Irelands strengths are exactly what we missed last year. The technical ability and skill to pick a pass. Milners strengths is what we've already got in Tevez's workrate and Adam Johnsons crossing.
Where did City finish that season? All too easy to remember the highlights, for much of that season we were pretty awful and when we were it was when our midfield was over ran. Ireland is a different type of player to Milner but also a level below.
 
I'm inclined to agree with the earlier poster who likened him to Fletcher at the rags. I think he could be the player sat in the middle of the park who does the dirty work and helps the players around him function. Theres no doubting the difference he made to Villa last year, you want proof of how much he means to them pop over to a Milner thread on any forum of theirs.
 
Neil McNab said:
PSmyth07 said:
His best season was OK? He got player of the year at City. To have an OK season and still pip it over the likes of Robinho is remarkable.

Its just so typical and easy to cast someone off when they have a bad season. Milner is no better Ireland, both have strengths and weaknesses. If you take a look at the bigger picture, Irelands strengths are exactly what we missed last year. The technical ability and skill to pick a pass. Milners strengths is what we've already got in Tevez's workrate and Adam Johnsons crossing.
Where did City finish that season? All too easy to remember the highlights, for much of that season we were pretty awful and when we were it was when our midfield was over ran. Ireland is a different type of player to Milner but also a level below.

What does it matter where City finished? Are you trying to tell me that we played awful because of Stephen Ireland? Interesting.

Where did we finish when we had Kinkladze at the club?
Where did Leeds finish when they had Alan Smith, Viduka, Matteo, Robinson and even the flamboyant wonderkid James Milner at the club?

You could say it about alot of players but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're poor.
 
All this talk of Stevie Ireland going as a makeweight in this deal is stopping me sleeping. Ok he didn't set the world alight last season but he has got genuine class, 1-0 down and 10 minutes to go he would be just the sort of player you would want to come on and change a game.
If we are desperate to land Milner the makeweight in the deal needs to be Gareth Barry not someone who understands the club, is loved by many fans and also has unfinished business with the club.
 
As much as i know football is a squad game. Ours is looking increasingly hard to handle with the amount of players that a quality enough for first team football in top teams. Another addition in the shape of Milner and it's another player to squeeze in playing time for, Surely this has to become a concerning factor at some point.
 
O'Neill has overplayed his hand.Milner has not handed in a transfer request,we have them by the ball's.
Let them sweat,would not increase the offer and throw in the woefull Bridge to reduce the cost if need be.
Villa need the cash its obvious but the glare of gold has clouded thier judgement they seemtobe dictating the price , LOL
We can walk away....... be fun to see O'Neill unpick the tangle he has created with Milner
 
mrt4919 said:
O'Neill has overplayed his hand.Milner has not handed in a transfer request,we have them by the ball's.
Let them sweat,would not increase the offer and throw in the woefull Bridge to reduce the cost if need be.
Villa need the cash its obvious but the glare of gold has clouded thier judgement they seemtobe dictating the price , LOL
We can walk away....... be fun to see O'Neill unpick the tangle he has created with Milner

We won't walk away. We were never going to walk before MoN opened his mouth and having now opened it Milner is as good as signed. City want Milner. They want his attitude, his versatility, his work ethic, his ability - you name it City want it. City are not interested in playing dumb games with Villa they just want Milner. Its pretty simple really.
 
I think if we walk away Milner, O'Neill and Aston Villa will recover pretty quickly. He'll be gone the following season though as his contract will be expiring. Villa would have loss an opportunity to amke a buck but I think they'd prefer that if it meant a better season the following year. I'm sure all the really think they'll get next season is top 6 and a chance at a cup. They don't need to invest heavily to get that.

So IMO they are under no complement to us. We can walk away and I don't think anyone will lose sleep over it. Or we can pay whatever Aston Villa think is fair to them. I'd imagine that 25m. Whether that's a fair valuation on the player is irrelivant I guess.

The funny thing I think is that if we pay 30m everyone will give out that City are paying to much for average players, yet this is meant to be the great hope for England's future and the benefactors of the deal are Villa... how they spend the money should be the big question....will they plough this into other English clubs to help develop English talent... or will they buy a couple of Johnny Foreigners from Spain or the like? I get confused as to how exactly we are destroying football but it definitely is happening.
 
mrt4919 said:
O'Neill has overplayed his hand.Milner has not handed in a transfer request,we have them by the ball's.
Let them sweat,would not increase the offer and throw in the woefull Bridge to reduce the cost if need be.
Villa need the cash its obvious but the glare of gold has clouded thier judgement they seemtobe dictating the price , LOL
We can walk away....... be fun to see O'Neill unpick the tangle he has created with Milner

O'neill wont care and will be as stubborn as he was when liverpool wanted barry, we either pay what he wants or we wont get him. Milner will still play to his best as he is that sort of player. Personally i think we should wait a year, see how he does this season and even if he does well we would get him for less next summer as he wont be signing a new contract.
 
mrt4919 said:
O'Neill has overplayed his hand.Milner has not handed in a transfer request,we have them by the ball's.
Let them sweat,would not increase the offer and throw in the woefull Bridge to reduce the cost if need be.
Villa need the cash its obvious but the glare of gold has clouded thier judgement they seemtobe dictating the price , LOL
We can walk away....... be fun to see O'Neill unpick the tangle he has created with Milner
I wouldn't be so sure.

Money isn't really a worry for us. Sure, we don't have your kind of cash, but we certainly don't need money despite what the media have said for the last few seasons. The same happened with Barry, we wanted £18m and Liverpool didn't pay it, we were happy to keep Barry for the extra year and take the £6m loss when he joined you the following summer.

Next summer Milner will leave anyway, but at a lower price I'm sure more teams would be willing to buy him so you'd have more competition. Though personally I'd rather see him go to City than any of the big 4 or Spurs.

As for Wayne Bridge, please don't even joke about him coming to Villa. :(
 
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Manchester City up bid for James Milner to £24m but deal turns ugly

• Midfielder reacts angrily over Martin O'Neill's comments
• Villa seeking higher bid plus Stephen Ireland in part-exchange

Manchester City will make a £24m second and final offer for James Milner within the next 48 hours as they seek to push through a deal for the England international.

The proposed deal is being conducted amid considerable acrimony with the winger's relationship with the Aston Villa manager, Martin O'Neill, threatening to unravel.

Milner is angry and upset with O'Neill for suggesting that he had expressed a desire to leave during a meeting about his future before the World Cup finals. He also strongly rejected the manager's claim that he was offered a new contract with the club. Villa, however, have stood by O'Neill's interpretation of events and his comments, made during a pre-season trip to Dublin, prompted Milner to try to telephone the manager last night to seek an explanation.

There was no indication Milner had managed to get in touch with O'Neill as the situation became increasingly fraught. Milner is due to report back to Villa for pre-season training on Monday after being given an extended break following the World Cup, although the events of the past 24 hours mean that it is almost inconceivable he will join up with his team-mates at the club's Bodymoor Heath training ground.

Instead it now appears a matter of when and not if he becomes a Manchester City player. Although all the indications are that City's £24m bid will not be accepted – Villa's asking price is closer to £30m – negotiations are expected to continue with a view to a swift conclusion now it has been established Milner has no future in the Midlands. Villa are set to push for Stephen Ireland, the City midfielder who has been told he can leave the club this summer, as a makeweight in a deal.

In many ways O'Neill's remarks are likely to accelerate the process. Having previously suggested the club would do all they could to keep Milner, who was outstanding last season and won the PFA Young Player of the Year award, O'Neill has publicly conceded defeat, claiming the 24-year-old had made it clear in a meeting at the end of May that he was not interested in discussing a new deal on improved terms and that he wished to leave. Milner and his representative strongly dispute this was the case and believe O'Neill has portrayed him an unfair light.

"The state of affairs is really straightforward," O'Neill said. "James and his agent came to see us before the World Cup and intimated they would like to go. If that is the case then Manchester City made the offer, which we told them about. There is a difference of valuation at this moment between the buying club and the selling club. That may well be resolved and if that is the case then absolutely fine."

"I think James's agent has told our chief executive he wouldn't be signing a new contract," O'Neill continued. "Obviously that puts a different slant on things, like everything else. Although I haven't spoken to James since that day, he has played in the World Cup and the rest really is pretty well straightforward. If a fee is agreed, at the end of the day, the player can leave. Manchester City have put a valuation on the player. It doesn't match our valuation but we will see. I am probably sure if that is the state of affairs, particularly if the player is keen to go, I am sure it will get resolved."

How things pan out between Milner and O'Neill between now and then will be of just as much interest. The Villa manager has spent much of the previous 12 months waxing lyrical about the development of the player he signed for £12m from Newcastle United in 2008, and Milner was just as effusive in his praise of O'Neill for the part he played in his promotion to the senior England team. Yet O'Neill's latest comments have left Milner so disappointed that their previously close relationship could now be fractured beyond repair.
 
I'm all for Milner coming once Ireland stays too. If Ireland goes I'll be the first member of the Mancini Out brigade.
 
TonyM said:
I'm all for Milner coming once Ireland stays too. If Ireland goes I'll be the first member of the Mancini Out brigade.

even if he was given the chance to stay, cant see him being content with a permanent place on the bench. dont think RM rates him, so got to go for his own good.... just dont let it be to the rags
 
Really stupid move by O'Neill. He probably cost Villa millions with that comment.

Now City know where everyone stands. They can put in a low bid and Villa will have to decide between accepting it or leaving a discontented player on the team. Now their relationship is ruined. City can walk away and watch Villa implode.
 
TonyM said:
I'm all for Milner coming once Ireland stays too. If Ireland goes I'll be the first member of the Mancini Out brigade.

Picking a player over the manager. Smart move there.
 
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