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Mother of disabled Child told to pay for seasoncard
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Matty
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Re: Carers of disabled fans told to pay for ticket to watch City
That statement basically says that under 14's can't attend a match without supervision, and that the provision of that supervision must be by someone who is paying for their own seat. It doesn't mention disability or anything else for that matter. It's basically a policy they've introduced that treats all under 14's in exactly the same way as each other. As has been stated before, all under 14's need to be accompanied by a paying adult.
Equality is pretty clear in it's aims, you can't demand equality but only in some instances, if you want to be treated equally to someone else then you need to take the good with the bad. You can't say, I'm disabled, I want to be treated the same as everyone else, unless being treated as a disabled person is actually better, in which case treat me as a disabled person.
This whole "policy change" can be summed up pretty simply:-
All children (under 14) must be accompanied by an adult.
That adult does not get into the football for free.
Supporters under 14-years of age are not allowed to enter the stadium without a qualifying adult (age 18-years and over). As a result and in-line with reasonable adjustments, the 2013/14 City Kicks (under 16) Seasoncard holder, who is under 14-years of age and their parent/guardian are required to pay the prevailing rate for their seats. We are not required to provide the adult with a free 2013/14 Seasoncard.
That statement basically says that under 14's can't attend a match without supervision, and that the provision of that supervision must be by someone who is paying for their own seat. It doesn't mention disability or anything else for that matter. It's basically a policy they've introduced that treats all under 14's in exactly the same way as each other. As has been stated before, all under 14's need to be accompanied by a paying adult.
Equality is pretty clear in it's aims, you can't demand equality but only in some instances, if you want to be treated equally to someone else then you need to take the good with the bad. You can't say, I'm disabled, I want to be treated the same as everyone else, unless being treated as a disabled person is actually better, in which case treat me as a disabled person.
This whole "policy change" can be summed up pretty simply:-
All children (under 14) must be accompanied by an adult.
That adult does not get into the football for free.
Dubai Blue
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Re: Carers of disabled fans told to pay for ticket to watch City
I read gkmcfc's post to be talking in general about the disabled, not just about this particular case.mcfc1894 said:Dubai Blue said:The disabled aren't getting any 'perk' as they have to pay for their ticket, but they can't be expected to go to the matches on their own, can they?gkmcfc said:I find it somewhat ironic that the very people who for years have campaigned for equal rights in employment, accessibility and in life in general still want to receive a perk that I and other fans have to pay for!
Would they give up their right to free parking too?
neither can a 4 year old
lancs blue
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Re: Carers of disabled fans told to pay for ticket to watch City
No U-14 is allowed to attend on their own, disabled or otherwise. I think this is at the centre of the club's decision as it could be argued (I'm not saying the argument is right) that to allow a disabled U-14's parent in free discriminates against the parent of an able bodied U-14 who has to pay full price.
mcfc1894 said:Dubai Blue said:The disabled aren't getting any 'perk' as they have to pay for their ticket, but they can't be expected to go to the matches on their own, can they?gkmcfc said:I find it somewhat ironic that the very people who for years have campaigned for equal rights in employment, accessibility and in life in general still want to receive a perk that I and other fans have to pay for!
Would they give up their right to free parking too?
neither can a 4 year old
No U-14 is allowed to attend on their own, disabled or otherwise. I think this is at the centre of the club's decision as it could be argued (I'm not saying the argument is right) that to allow a disabled U-14's parent in free discriminates against the parent of an able bodied U-14 who has to pay full price.
mcfclovin88
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His dad has a season card, why can't he move to be sat next to his son?
not my fault!
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Re: Carers of disabled fans told to pay for ticket to watch City
I agree with this, won't be a popular agreement but so be it. I'd also add that when aged 4 I wouldn't say any child would be City mad. My own experience is that my lad didnt really "get in to City" until he was 7, he 9 now & still hit & miss if he can be arsed to go. He loves football but gets bored watching, he'd rather be playing.
I think the club however are damned if they do & damned if they don't, I can personally see the argument of if the child cannot attend on their own then they have to be with an adult anyway. Maybe it'd be better for the club to charge say £300 for the adult & anyone under 18 is free (if they have a disability) then it changes at 18, the disabled member pays £300 & the carer is free. It's a consistent price & parents/fans etc wont be hit with any surprises as they'd know in advance.
I'm not saying this is the case & I'm sure none of our fans would do this but, I can see the club being concerned that an adult may use a loophole to gain a free ticket when their child isn't really in to being at the game. Like I say yesterday my lad couldn't be bothered, at that age it happens. I could see that being an issue at other clubs though & as a result City are looking at options.
Matty said:If the fan is too young to be allowed to attend the game on their own, regardless of their physical or mental faculties, then whoever attends the game with them should have to pay also. If I've got a fit and healthy 8 year old son, and he has a seasoncard, then I too will have to buy a seasoncard as he can't go on his own. The same should be true of a disabled 8 year old with a seasoncard, they would need adult supervision whether they were disabled or not, due to their age, so I don't think it's unreasonable to be expected to buy a seasoncard.
If the disabled person is only requiring supervision due to their disability (they are of an age where, ordinarily, they could attend the game on their own) then their carer shouldn't have to pay for a seasoncard, or potentially City should provide a designated carer service whereby, if required, the disabled supporter could be looked after at the game by a trained professional provided by the club (in conjunction with whatever agency they would need to provide such people).
I agree with this, won't be a popular agreement but so be it. I'd also add that when aged 4 I wouldn't say any child would be City mad. My own experience is that my lad didnt really "get in to City" until he was 7, he 9 now & still hit & miss if he can be arsed to go. He loves football but gets bored watching, he'd rather be playing.
I think the club however are damned if they do & damned if they don't, I can personally see the argument of if the child cannot attend on their own then they have to be with an adult anyway. Maybe it'd be better for the club to charge say £300 for the adult & anyone under 18 is free (if they have a disability) then it changes at 18, the disabled member pays £300 & the carer is free. It's a consistent price & parents/fans etc wont be hit with any surprises as they'd know in advance.
I'm not saying this is the case & I'm sure none of our fans would do this but, I can see the club being concerned that an adult may use a loophole to gain a free ticket when their child isn't really in to being at the game. Like I say yesterday my lad couldn't be bothered, at that age it happens. I could see that being an issue at other clubs though & as a result City are looking at options.
The Deckchair Kit
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What a sad world we live in.
I feel sick at the 'I'm alright Jack' attitude in this thread.
My heart goes out to the lad & hope that this comes to a sensible conclusion.
#together (my arse!)
I feel sick at the 'I'm alright Jack' attitude in this thread.
My heart goes out to the lad & hope that this comes to a sensible conclusion.
#together (my arse!)
Matty
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Re: Carers of disabled fans told to pay for ticket to watch City
What has happened is simply this, if you were disabled, and under 14, then your carer was getting in for free. Now, due to a change, you will need to pay for your ticket based upon the fact that ALL 14 year olds need supervision, not just disabled ones, and the supervisor of an able bodied child has to pay full price. It's a simple equality issue. All supervisors of under 14 children now have to pay.
I think this needs clearing up. There has been NO CHANGE to the disabled carer policy. If you are over 14, disabled, and need a carer, then your situation is assessed based upon your benefits/circumstances, as is the case at present, and your ticket price/that of your carer is decided upon. This will NOT be affected by this issue whatsoever.Dubai Blue said:I read gkmcfc's post to be talking in general about the disabled, not just about this particular case.mcfc1894 said:Dubai Blue said:The disabled aren't getting any 'perk' as they have to pay for their ticket, but they can't be expected to go to the matches on their own, can they?
neither can a 4 year old
What has happened is simply this, if you were disabled, and under 14, then your carer was getting in for free. Now, due to a change, you will need to pay for your ticket based upon the fact that ALL 14 year olds need supervision, not just disabled ones, and the supervisor of an able bodied child has to pay full price. It's a simple equality issue. All supervisors of under 14 children now have to pay.
SteWadda
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Re: Carers of disabled fans told to pay for ticket to watch City
14 is a bit excessive isn't it. Why can't a 12 year old go to the match without his dad?
I got my first season ticket when I was 12 and went with my 9 year old brother.
lancs blue said:mcfc1894 said:Dubai Blue said:The disabled aren't getting any 'perk' as they have to pay for their ticket, but they can't be expected to go to the matches on their own, can they?
neither can a 4 year old
No U-14 is allowed to attend on their own, disabled or otherwise. I think this is at the centre of the club's decision as it could be argued (I'm not saying the argument is right) that to allow a disabled U-14's parent in free discriminates against the parent of an able bodied U-14 who has to pay full price.
14 is a bit excessive isn't it. Why can't a 12 year old go to the match without his dad?
I got my first season ticket when I was 12 and went with my 9 year old brother.
not my fault!
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mcfclovin88 said:His dad has a season card, why can't he move to be sat next to his son?
I'm sure it's free entry until the age of 5 anyway. My lad used to sit on my knee for free. Obviously I'm taking in general terms.