Mother of disabled Child told to pay for seasoncard

If Children are getting seasontickets, it's because the adults want to get one and decide to bring their child alone. Children can't go on their own, they need an adult, and so regardless of whether the child is disabled or not, they will always have an adult accompany them. Having a disabled child doesn't mean you should get free handouts.

However, it's completely different with adults, if the adult needs a carer. Adults have the free will to do things, and so they will clearly want to go if they want a seasonticket. Adults also have the capability to go on their own. Therefore, they should be allowed a free carer as it still enables them to watch the games for the same price as if they were going to the games on their own.

Don't see the problem to be honest.
 
Re: Carers of disabled fans told to pay for ticket to watch City

Prestwich_Blue said:
This is a non-story and the club are right on this in my opinion. Why should a 4-yr old with problems be treated any differently to a healthy 4-yr old? Both need someone with them and the parent or whoever takes them should pay. As has been said, the father already goes so basically she wants three tickets for the price of one.

I'm pretty sure that if a disabled adult goes and genuinely needs a carer then they will be accomodated by the club. The Disabled Supporters Association doesn't seem to be getting wound up about this and I would assume they were consulted.

Oh I don't know maybe because getting dealt a shit hand is as good a reason as any to cut someone a break. And yeah maybe some families can afford to pay and some can't and maybe some people are cool with disabled fans having to send pleading letters to the club with photos of themselves in a wheelchair and bank statements from the last 6 months in order to get the club to cut them a break but sometimes I just wonder if its worth any organisation looking like total c**ts for the sake of some sort of 'parity' or 'equality' or whatever the latest buzzword bollocks is.

That the club has changed its policy with little or no warning is in my opinion wrong. That it it buys you a bit of bad PR - you know 'richest club in the world makes disabled children pay' well its about par for the course at the moment.
 
Re: Carers of disabled fans told to pay for ticket to watch City

fbloke said:
I reckon that those suggesting that a disabled under 14 should be treated the same as an under 14 have little or no experience of disability and I am really pleased for you.

The plain and simple fact is that a kid with a disability who wants to attend matches at the Etihad has, until very recently been provided with a carer free of charge.

There was no advance notice that the carer rule was to change and it only became apparent when those who wanted to renew the season cards tried to renew only to find that the club had removed that support without any warning or grace period whatsoever.

Now lets me ask you to consider a couple of scenarios (without getting into specific names)

1. A child with severe and multiple disabilities, wheelchair bound and with a life expectancy of less than 14 years has one love and that is man City.

His mother has poor mobility herself but acts as a full time carer and is also a lone parent.

The little money they have coming in to their household means a subsidence level existence but she managed to get enough money together for travel etc to attend matches even though she hated footy.

On the days when she was in too much pain to take her son herself she managed to get another respite carer to take her son even though his medical needs are challenging and difficult to manage it was worth it as it was the only enjoyment the kid got.

Now, alas that has been taken away by the clubs decision to charge the carer too. It is simply unaffordable.

2. A family of five, mum dad and three kids with dad working weekends and mum doing all she can to keep a family unit together and make sure all three kids, 2 of whom are without disability but the third has severe and profound disabilities.

The mum takes all three kids together to the match and is helped by her sister who is one of only a few people who understands how to care for her disabled son if need be.

Attending matches for the kids is the only activity they can enjoy together and even though dad tries his best to earn to pay their own way the fact is they are not like 'normal' families and they need an extra adult there otherwise it simply isnt manageable.

Having struggled to get the cash together for 3 kids and one adult the need to find that extra few hundred quid means its not gonna be something they can afford.

And so the family are unable to attend together.

Now I know there will be some heartless fuckers on here who will say 'so what its just a disabled kid' or 'if I have to pay when I go with my lads why shouldnt they' then I pity you and your nasty way of seeing the world.

I can guarantee that if you are like that then we will never get on, end of.

Next time you are playing footy in the parc with your full able bodied kids think about that lad or lass in the wheelchair who cant have that simple pleasure.

Next time you let you 9,10,11,12 or 13 year old pop around to his mates or play in the street have a thought for the poor little kid who is forever trapped inside watching all those others grow and develop.

Because lets not forget that we are all equal aren't we?

We have equality legislation which means that a 12 year old who will be dead in a year can now expect his carer to be charged to go with him but that means he is robbed of one of the few pleasures that life brings him before his pain wracked and plainly awful existence on this planet comes to and end.

But yeah, your probably right if you have to pay for your fucking kid then why shouldnt he?

Is this across the whole board though Andy? like every Carer now has to pay... or have they changed the criteria or something?
 
Re: Carers of disabled fans told to pay for ticket to watch City

Why Always Ste said:
Ok so The MUEN have duped me once again....

It seems Carers are still allowed free entry to care for the Disabled supporter.

No I don`t think they have mate.
I am registerd disabled,but I have to have the Top Rate of Disability Income and confirm this to the Club.I pay the full cost of £325 for my seat in the CBL3 Stand.
However,my son gets his free,as he is my Carer ie I need help in getting to my seat etc.
I also receive a Lift Pass,but I would have to pay for the services of Car Parking at the ground,should I wish to use that facility.
I would assume,rightly or wrongly, that in some cases other criteria must be reached to receive the Carers Free ST and again this would have been done in consultation with the Football Supporters Disabled Trust (or likewise) which advises Clubs on this subject.
City have been superb with me over the years and the only downside has been,as someone else has pointed out,Wembley was a no no due to us only receiving 100 Disbaled Tickets.However that was a decison made by myself not to attend,for both financial and logistical reasons.
Unfortunately we may not have been given the full picture by the lady in question or the MEN.
 
Re: Carers of disabled fans told to pay for ticket to watch City

oakiecokie said:
Why Always Ste said:
Ok so The MUEN have duped me once again....

It seems Carers are still allowed free entry to care for the Disabled supporter.

No I don`t think they have mate.

Eh?

it seems they (MUEN) have... The article headline implies that City have stopped the free entry for carer allowance across the whole board but it is in fact isolated cases.
 
Re: Carers of disabled fans told to pay for ticket to watch City

lucablue said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
This is a non-story and the club are right on this in my opinion. Why should a 4-yr old with problems be treated any differently to a healthy 4-yr old? Both need someone with them and the parent or whoever takes them should pay. As has been said, the father already goes so basically she wants three tickets for the price of one.

I'm pretty sure that if a disabled adult goes and genuinely needs a carer then they will be accomodated by the club. The Disabled Supporters Association doesn't seem to be getting wound up about this and I would assume they were consulted.


How can this ever be right.

I won't be renewing my season ticket this year. The way the treated Mancini. and that message in the program is more about keeping the fans onside than any genuine thanks to Roberto. PR nightmare, no they just don't care what the fans think. It's money now..That all.
That's your choice. But the game has been about money since the start of the PL.

But I don't think the club have done anything too wrong here. If the kid was healthy, would the mother get a free ticket? He can't go without someone looking after him regardless of his health. I believe that if an adult needs a carer then they get a free ticket for the carer while paying for the disabled ticket.
 
Re: Carers of disabled fans told to pay for ticket to watch City

Why Always Ste said:
oakiecokie said:
Why Always Ste said:
Ok so The MUEN have duped me once again....

It seems Carers are still allowed free entry to care for the Disabled supporter.

No I don`t think they have mate.

Eh?

it seems they (MUEN) have... The article headline implies that City have stopped the free entry for carer allowance across the whole board but it is in fact isolated cases.

It says "and other fans" not "all fans",meaning that some others will fall into this catagory,if certain criteria is not met.
 
Re: Carers of disabled fans told to pay for ticket to watch City

Why Always Ste said:
fbloke said:
I reckon that those suggesting that a disabled under 14 should be treated the same as an under 14 have little or no experience of disability and I am really pleased for you.

The plain and simple fact is that a kid with a disability who wants to attend matches at the Etihad has, until very recently been provided with a carer free of charge.

There was no advance notice that the carer rule was to change and it only became apparent when those who wanted to renew the season cards tried to renew only to find that the club had removed that support without any warning or grace period whatsoever.

Now lets me ask you to consider a couple of scenarios (without getting into specific names)

1. A child with severe and multiple disabilities, wheelchair bound and with a life expectancy of less than 14 years has one love and that is man City.

His mother has poor mobility herself but acts as a full time carer and is also a lone parent.

The little money they have coming in to their household means a subsidence level existence but she managed to get enough money together for travel etc to attend matches even though she hated footy.

On the days when she was in too much pain to take her son herself she managed to get another respite carer to take her son even though his medical needs are challenging and difficult to manage it was worth it as it was the only enjoyment the kid got.

Now, alas that has been taken away by the clubs decision to charge the carer too. It is simply unaffordable.

2. A family of five, mum dad and three kids with dad working weekends and mum doing all she can to keep a family unit together and make sure all three kids, 2 of whom are without disability but the third has severe and profound disabilities.

The mum takes all three kids together to the match and is helped by her sister who is one of only a few people who understands how to care for her disabled son if need be.

Attending matches for the kids is the only activity they can enjoy together and even though dad tries his best to earn to pay their own way the fact is they are not like 'normal' families and they need an extra adult there otherwise it simply isnt manageable.

Having struggled to get the cash together for 3 kids and one adult the need to find that extra few hundred quid means its not gonna be something they can afford.

And so the family are unable to attend together.

Now I know there will be some heartless fuckers on here who will say 'so what its just a disabled kid' or 'if I have to pay when I go with my lads why shouldnt they' then I pity you and your nasty way of seeing the world.

I can guarantee that if you are like that then we will never get on, end of.

Next time you are playing footy in the parc with your full able bodied kids think about that lad or lass in the wheelchair who cant have that simple pleasure.

Next time you let you 9,10,11,12 or 13 year old pop around to his mates or play in the street have a thought for the poor little kid who is forever trapped inside watching all those others grow and develop.

Because lets not forget that we are all equal aren't we?

We have equality legislation which means that a 12 year old who will be dead in a year can now expect his carer to be charged to go with him but that means he is robbed of one of the few pleasures that life brings him before his pain wracked and plainly awful existence on this planet comes to and end.

But yeah, your probably right if you have to pay for your fucking kid then why shouldnt he?

Is this across the whole board though Andy? like every Carer now has to pay... or have they changed the criteria or something?

The only policy change is to strip under 14 year old disabled supporters of their free carer support.

Supporters under 14-years of age are not allowed to enter the stadium without a qualifying adult (age 18-years and over). As a result and in-line with reasonable adjustments, the 2013/14 City Kicks (under 16) Seasoncard holder, who is under 14-years of age and their parent/guardian are required to pay the prevailing rate for their seats. We are not required to provide the adult with a free 2013/14 Seasoncard.

Oh and irony is that under City's own ticketing rules the self same kid could in fact act as a carer for a disabled and get a free ticket.
 
Re: Carers of disabled fans told to pay for ticket to watch City

Dubai Blue said:
gkmcfc said:
I find it somewhat ironic that the very people who for years have campaigned for equal rights in employment, accessibility and in life in general still want to receive a perk that I and other fans have to pay for!
Would they give up their right to free parking too?
The disabled aren't getting any 'perk' as they have to pay for their ticket, but they can't be expected to go to the matches on their own, can they?

neither can a 4 year old
 

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