Mourinho or Mancini

[dancity19]

No. This is bollocks.

Terry cost Jose, read Makeleles book. Didn't do bad with them either did he?

He didn't do anything bad at Inter. He left on a high of a treble.

He set records at Real.

It's being spoke of because it has legs, wouldn't be so many pages otherwise.

I find you one dimensional too.

How many records did he set? How many did Mancini set? And you can deny it til the cows come home, but the clown never stays anywhere for very long and his teams play dour football.

Thats a fair point

In a way. But Mancini set records with us- we hadn't won the league in 44 years, as he loves to remind us. He had hundreds of millions to spend.

Mourinho set records at Inter, and at Real against Barca- most argue the greatest club side ever?

Up for debate as to where it is easier to 'set records'.

Anyway using records as the basis of an argument is pretty poor.

 

[NipHolmes]

Mourinho does the same thing over and over. Wherever he goes, the situation deteriorates in his third season. This happened with Chelsea and then Milan and now Madrid. Not Manchester though. Don't want him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hate this shit thread. Why can't the mods put it out of its misery.

No. This is bollocks.

Terry cost Jose, read Makeleles book. Didn't do bad with them either did he?

He didn't do anything bad at Inter. He left on a high of a treble.

He set records at Real.

It's being spoke of because it has legs, wouldn't be so many pages otherwise.

I find you one dimensional too.

How many records did he set? How many did Mancini set? And you can deny it til the cows come home, but the clown never stays anywhere for very long and his teams play dour football.

I'm willing to gamble that you didn't watch La Liga last season.

Real were incredible, that's why they topped goals scored and points accumulated
Chelsea was built on a solid defense, it won them stuff. It won Italy a world cup not long back and won Chelsea the CL last season. Many boxing fans criticise Mayweather for same, look at him, best in world and undefeated.

The clown as you put it will go down as one of the best ever. You're a clown for not seeing greatness when you see it.

Bar our great run early doors last year and also this year we have relied on a solid defense and not really been too attacking, hence goals scored lacking to last season. Or is this different?

 

[dancity19]

How many records did he set? How many did Mancini set? And you can deny it til the cows come home, but the clown never stays anywhere for very long and his teams play dour football.

Pam, do you actually think Mancini is a better manager than Mourinho? Forget loyalties, forget who you like, who do you think is a better manager?

I think Mancini will continue to be successful at City and there is no need to replace him with a circus freak.

Well I hope he will continue to be successful. I would love to have a manager who will stay with us for a long time and be consistently successful. Not looking particularly promising for this season though.

But you didn't answer the question: who is the better manager?

 

[NipHolmes]

Pam, do you actually think Mancini is a better manager than Mourinho? Forget loyalties, forget who you like, who do you think is a better manager?

I think Mancini will continue to be successful at City and there is no need to replace him with a circus freak.

Well I hope he will continue to be successful. I would love to have a manager who will stay with us for a long time and be consistently successful. Not looking particularly promising for this season though.

But you didn't answer the question: who is the better manager?

Very much like a politician her response.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

How the fuck can anyone say Mourinho plays boring football when Madrid have scored 100 plus league goals in each of the last two seasons.

Really cant see us getting Mourinho though the thread should be Pep or Mancini.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

How the fuck can anyone say Mourinho plays boring football when Madrid have scored 100 plus league goals in each of the last two seasons.

Really cant see us getting Mourinho though the thread should be Pep or Mancini.

That's another thread. But get your debate in quick because the Pambot has arrived so it will be all downhill from here.

 

[dancity19]

I think Mancini will continue to be successful at City and there is no need to replace him with a circus freak.

Well I hope he will continue to be successful. I would love to have a manager who will stay with us for a long time and be consistently successful. Not looking particularly promising for this season though.

But you didn't answer the question: who is the better manager?

Very much like a politician her response.

It was a huge swerve. I suppose she is effectively admitting Mourinho is the better manager, but if Mancini continues to deliver trophies what is the point in changing?

Well on the face of it I guess that is fair. But there are a lot of us who will question Mancini's ability to deliver. This season being a key season. They main differentiator is our levels of expectation. I posted a thread a month or so ago at where the line is drawn for a successful season and a failure.

The most common answer was a trophy and a genuine title challenge. I would tend to agree with that- you can't win the league every season, but you would expect a genuine challenge. Obviously it's only half way through, but if the league finished now I wouldn't say 7 points off united was a genuine challenge. Far from it. We have some serious work to do if Mancini wants to deliver this season.

A couple of people said success will be qualification for the champions league..???? Now if that is the level people still think is the point of success then that is why there is so much disagreement here. Debate is difficult if the starting 'point' is so different.

For me a successful season this year was improvement in the Champions league and another title/a very good challenge. We regressed in the CL, and are 7 points off united at the half way stage.....

 

[Lancet Fluke]

How the fuck can anyone say Mourinho plays boring football when Madrid have scored 100 plus league goals in each of the last two seasons.

Really cant see us getting Mourinho though the thread should be Pep or Mancini.

A Pep, Mourinho or Mancini thread would be good. I reckon any of those three could easily be our manager next season. If Mancini does go, who would be the preferred option of the other two? For me Mourinho gives as close to guaranteed success as you can get. Pep is more of a gamble, I worry that he could turn out to be another Rijkaard but then clearly there are reasons to think that he could be truly amazing.

 

[dancity19]

How the fuck can anyone say Mourinho plays boring football when Madrid have scored 100 plus league goals in each of the last two seasons.

Really cant see us getting Mourinho though the thread should be Pep or Mancini.

A Pep, Mourinho or Mancini thread would be good. I reckon any of those three could easily be our manager next season. If Mancini does go, who would be the preferred option of the other two? For me Mourinho gives as close to guaranteed success as you can get. Pep is more of a gamble, I worry that he could turn out to be another Rijkaard but then clearly there are reasons to think that he could be truly amazing.

It's such a simplistic view to take- that Pep suceeded so much because of the group of players. But, it's the view, or the 'worry' I have too. There are the arguments that he got the most out of every one of those players, and his management of Messi enabled him to blossom like he has.

But it is still a gamble. He's managed at one club, had the best crop of players almost ever assembled, and then got out of there as soon as the going got tough.

With the way they are playing at the moment, is Tito Villanova going to be regarded as the best manager in club football in a years time.....???

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

As a City fan, I'm not interested in who's set what records, what they did at other clubs or even their personality. I don't care that we were playing at places like York or Macclesfielda 14 years ago as that has no relevance to where we are now.

I'm only interested in who is the best person to take us forward from being a big fish domestically (which we are now) to being a big fish in the European elite pond. Mancini has certainly delivered on the domestic front and will always be part of our history in the same way that Joe Mercer & Malcolm Allison are. But in five attempts with an expensively assembled team both in Italy and here he hasn't managed to make an impression in the CL and has fallen at the first reasonably difficult hurdle.

Mourinho,on the other hand, has won the CL twice, once with unfancied Porto and the other after taking over front Mancini at Inter. Now that interests me.