Nelson Mandela RIP

[johnny on the spot]

Ban, you're not exactly doing much for the debate team yourself, so rein in the insults, Gringo.

 

[Bilboblue]

So were the women and kids in Dresden, selective opinion on what is right and wrong.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

And anyway we were at war with a country who were trying to take over the world, they bombed our cities and us them.

It wasn't terrorist behaviour targeting people we knew were just catching a bus. We had to stop Germany as a country.

Completely different and you're being an idiot.

Yeah, just imagine a European country trying to take over the world. Glad that never happened.

Times have changed ya know?

 

[scotty123]

Sad day, but at least my sky planner is nearly full with lots of stuff to catch up on. So hopefully I won't have to listen to all the gushing ***** on TV talking a load of fucking nonsense and pretending to be upset.
Even talkshite are all over it. They've wheeled out Stan Collymore to eulogise about him.
Stan Collymore ffs.
I half expected to see his picture at the top of the page instead of Sergio when I logged on.

He spoke very well and focused on what Mandela did for sport in SA , good listen

Woof woof woof woof woof

 

[Dubai Blue]

Personal opinions aside, the "War on Terrorism" was sanctioned by the UN. They are the world's police. So therefore "Officially sanctioned". Horrible I know but that's it.

Wrong. The war on Iraq was never sanctioned by the UN.

Either way, why should any unelected body have any right to justify the indiscriminate killing of innocents in a foreign land?

The idea that the bombing of Dresden (for example) was justified purely because it was 'officially sanctioned' by the leader of a foreign country has to be so beyond the comprehension of any right-thinking person. That goes for any idea of war being 'officially sanctioned'. What a stupid fucking turn of phrase.

Hold on there a minute.

War had been declared by the participating nation states.

Whether you agree or not isn't relevant. The world agreed to the rules and dictates of the time. This is the fundamental difference between war and terrorism. Global opinion.

Fair enough. But the ANC were never going to be given such recognition for their struggle and to suggest they should just sit by and wait for it is ludicrous. I repeat, their struggle was equally as justified to the people directly affected by it as any conflict that has happened in Europe and been 'officially sanctioned' by other Western powers.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Wrong. The war on Iraq was never sanctioned by the UN.

Either way, why should any unelected body have any right to justify the indiscriminate killing of innocents in a foreign land?

The idea that the bombing of Dresden (for example) was justified purely because it was 'officially sanctioned' by the leader of a foreign country has to be so beyond the comprehension of any right-thinking person. That goes for any idea of war being 'officially sanctioned'. What a stupid fucking turn of phrase.

Hold on there a minute.

War had been declared by the participating nation states.

Whether you agree or not isn't relevant. The world agreed to the rules and dictates of the time. This is the fundamental difference between war and terrorism. Global opinion.

Fair enough. But the ANC were never going to be given such recognition for their struggle and to suggest they should just sit by and wait for it is ludicrous. I repeat, their struggle was equally as justified to the people directly affected by it as any conflict that has happened in Europe and been 'officially sanctioned' by other Western powers.

Transpose ANC and IRA and confirm you still agree please.

 

[BigJimLittleJim]

Sad day, but at least my sky planner is nearly full with lots of stuff to catch up on. So hopefully I won't have to listen to all the gushing ***** on TV talking a load of fucking nonsense and pretending to be upset.
Even talkshite are all over it. They've wheeled out Stan Collymore to eulogise about him.
Stan Collymore ffs.
I half expected to see his picture at the top of the page instead of Sergio when I logged on.

He spoke very well and focused on what Mandela did for sport in SA , good listen

Woof woof woof woof woof

Don't you normally throw in a "wibble" round about now in a thread undies :)

 

[scotty123]

He spoke very well and focused on what Mandela did for sport in SA , good listen

Woof woof woof woof woof

Don't you normally throw in a "wibble" round about now in a thread undies :)

''WIBBLE''

 

[Rascal]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8V2a6yvaM4[/youtube]

 

[BimboBob]

How, under any definition other than Bush and Blair's say so, was the war on Iraq 'officially sanctioned'? You're making it up as you go along.

The ANC's struggle was every bit as justified to the people directly affected as Britain's war against Nazi Germany.

In the eyes of the World, yes.

Personal opinions aside, the "War on Terrorism" was sanctioned by the UN. They are the world's police. So therefore "Officially sanctioned". Horrible I know but that's it.

Wrong. The war on Iraq was never sanctioned by the UN.

Either way, why should any unelected body have any right to justify the indiscriminate killing of innocents in a foreign land?

The idea that the bombing of Dresden (for example) was justified purely because it was 'officially sanctioned' by the leader of a foreign country has to be so beyond the comprehension of any right-thinking person. That goes for any idea of war being 'officially sanctioned'. What a stupid fucking turn of phrase.

You are right about the Iraq war, for which I say sorry, I was wrong.

What I was alluding to was the difference between war (officially sanctioned or not) and a terrorist struggle. You can't compare the two. Britain declared war on Germany which ultimately led to the horrors of Dresden etc etc, Mandela fought a struggle against apartheid that had the blessing, at first, of most of the modern world. Don't forget he was imprisoned in 1962 which was a full 2 years before America passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that banned discrimination based on "race, colour, religion, or national origin" in employment practices and public accommodations.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Personal opinions aside, the "War on Terrorism" was sanctioned by the UN. They are the world's police. So therefore "Officially sanctioned". Horrible I know but that's it.

Wrong. The war on Iraq was never sanctioned by the UN.

Either way, why should any unelected body have any right to justify the indiscriminate killing of innocents in a foreign land?

The idea that the bombing of Dresden (for example) was justified purely because it was 'officially sanctioned' by the leader of a foreign country has to be so beyond the comprehension of any right-thinking person. That goes for any idea of war being 'officially sanctioned'. What a stupid fucking turn of phrase.

Hold on there a minute.

War had been declared by the participating nation states.

Whether you agree or not isn't relevant. The world agreed to the rules and dictates of the time. This is the fundamental difference between war and terrorism. Global opinion.

Actually the Germans didn't bother with that declaring war rubbish ( well if you discount the U.S.A.) they just sort of went in bombing what and where they pleased, and until the started mass raids on the U.K. we had pretty much played by the rules and did our best to attack military targets but after the Blitz it untied our hands they sowed the wind the reaped the whirlwind. Had they had the capability the U.K would have suffered much worse and the German people of the time wouldn't have batted an eyelid.