New fans/tourists are embarrassing

york away to this! said:
FogBlueInSanFran said:
JMA wrote: "Why would a sane, mature adult need to enhance their love of something by manufacturing an attachment or support for a previous totally unrelated entity? It can only be for reasons of self delusion and self-aggrandisement."

While much of JohnMaddocksAxe's post is interesting and measured (not inflammatory in the least), I don’t buy the above quote.

Look, I’m an American who started supporting City in 2004. I played, coached and reffed football as a teenager. I don’t know exactly how I “picked” City as my squad, but it had something to do with (a) I love the physical city of Manchester; (b) the 04 FA Cup replay v. Spurs was the greatest comeback I’ve seen in any sport; (c) I detest United, the New York Yankees of the game; and (d) I loved Richard Dunne. Maybe there were other reasons. But not family, not a geographical tie. I’m not “ethnically” City. But it’s NOT manufactured, either. It just happened. Why do you meet someone and fall in love?

I don’t see how passion of any sort can be discounted. I get up ridiculously early – sometimes at 4:30 am California time – to watch matches. I’ve flown the 5,100 miles to Manchester at least once a season since 06 with the air miles I accumulate for work to be there in person (Everton last month, e.g.). My 7-year-old son taught his friends the Balotelli song (we substitute “full of class” for “fuckin’ class” though). My 5-year-old daughter named our cat “Manchester Kitty” (sorry). I’m outnumbered 40-1 with United, Chelsea and Liverpool fans where I live, and 10,000-1 with “Who gives a shit about soccer?” fans. I remember biting my nails, knowing if City had gotten relegated under Pearce, I wouldn’t ever see a game on TV again until City got back to the Prem.

Axe is right about the deep local ties of clubs, and I’m an outsider. I get the picture on city and family, but let me turn that around: what irritated me about liam’s original post was that he doesn’t realize how lucky he is. I envy the majority of City fans who live within walking distance, a train ride or a car drive of Etihad. If you so choose to spend your ducats, you can be there every match. You can hang in the pub with your mates every night and talk football. You can read and hear endless commentary about City daily in the prints and on TV. City is all around you. You live and breathe it. You grew up with it. Yes, I know I am lucky too because I can make it out to northwest England once in a while to follow the club, but it certainly comes at a high price in dollars and time, and the nearest rabid City fan I know lives 18 miles away from me.

At the end of the day, I think the passion, humor, loyalty and (previous) stoic bitterness-mixed-with-hope nature of old-school, born and bred City fans is unmatched among U.S. sports fans. The long-suffering among you more than anyone deserve this club’s success. But that doesn't mean those of us not raised 500 yards from Maine Road with a City dad and granddad can't feel at least close to the same highs and lows. Not the same, granted, but close.

PS. Personally, the NFL bores the living shit out of me. I’m not going to go glom onto the San Francisco 49ers – a club tied to my city and family – because they opened the season 5-1, or for any reason.


very eloquently put, well said.

now keep your nose out of our business, you pesky yank!

Ha - great riposte!!

But an even greater post from FogBlueInSanFran - fuck me I was nearly in tears reading that!!

I'm afraid the OP is suffering from an superiority complex. Why does anyone need to prove that they're a "better" or "truer" fan than others???

If you support Manchester City then you absolutely SHOULD be there (if you can make it), and if you're watching City on a TV somewhere wishing you were at the game, then you're with us in spirit as far as I'm concerned.
 
r.soleofsalford said:
Longsight-memories said:
Sooner have a stadium full of Mancs.. & i mean Mancs.. not stiffs from out in the sticks.. but thats just me being old fashion



how about getting a manc in the team first eh

paul power openshaw
Derek Jeffiers longsight
Stan bowels moston
Rodger palmer
dave conner Whythenshaw
Joe Corrigan
paul hince

to name just a few
 
Longsight-memories said:
r.soleofsalford said:
Longsight-memories said:
Sooner have a stadium full of Mancs.. & i mean Mancs.. not stiffs from out in the sticks.. but thats just me being old fashion



how about getting a manc in the team first eh

paul power openshaw
Derek Jeffiers longsight
Stan bowels moston
Rodger palmer
dave conner Whythenshaw
Joe Corrigan
paul hince

to name just a few

Available for Sunday?
 
I find it funny how some immediately label other City fans as "tourists" or "newbies" or whatever without knowing the full story.

I have been a season ticket holder for 23 years, like a lot on here I would imagine. The other night (I had already bought my ticket in the cup scheme) I wangled an invite into the Mancunian suite as a guest of one my suppliers. So I left my seat empty in the Family Stand and took their offer up of a meal, drinks etc. What a totally different world!

Anyway, before the game (we had to wear a suit etc) I was waiting outside the Colin Bell Stand and a group of three or four lads walked past .... and one of them said "fucking plastic tourists, you're not welcome"

If that's the sort of City fan you want to fill the ground, I'm glad I'm not one of them. Looking at their faces, I was going to watch City before they were even born.
 
johnmc said:
Longsight-memories said:
r.soleofsalford said:
how about getting a manc in the team first eh

paul power openshaw
Derek Jeffiers longsight
Stan bowels moston
Rodger palmer
dave conner Whythenshaw
Joe Corrigan
paul hince
Tommy booth.. Langley

to name just a few

Available for Sunday?

They will be in spirit... (or full of spirit).. you can bet-

Pick a manc born 11 (not out in the sticks like urmston Stockport or salford) i mean manchester..

-- Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:43 am --

 
They are alright to a point - that point is when the owners realise they can put the prices up and still fill the ground (with tourists). Thats when us proper fans call it a day. It happened to the rags and could happen to us.
 
Longsight-memories said:
Cheesy said:
Longsight-memories said:
Sooner have a stadium full of Mancs.. & i mean Mancs.. not stiffs from out in the sticks.. but thats just me being old fashion

There's not enough City fans in Manchester to fill the stadium though is there? Bearing that in mind, if you'd still rather have no 'stiffs from out in the sticks' supporting City then you'd rather City weren't going to become one of the niggest clubs in world football.


1)There's not enough City fans in Manchester to fill the stadium though is there? more than enough

So why don't we sell out every game & why, when we do, are many of the fans not from Manchester?
 
Cheesy said:
Longsight-memories said:
Cheesy said:
There's not enough City fans in Manchester to fill the stadium though is there? Bearing that in mind, if you'd still rather have no 'stiffs from out in the sticks' supporting City then you'd rather City weren't going to become one of the niggest clubs in world football.


1)There's not enough City fans in Manchester to fill the stadium though is there? more than enough

So why don't we sell out every game & why, when we do, are many of the fans not from Manchester?

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FogBlueInSanFran said:
JMA wrote: "Why would a sane, mature adult need to enhance their love of something by manufacturing an attachment or support for a previous totally unrelated entity? It can only be for reasons of self delusion and self-aggrandisement."

While much of JohnMaddocksAxe's post is interesting and measured (not inflammatory in the least), I don’t buy the above quote.

Look, I’m an American who started supporting City in 2004. I played, coached and reffed football as a teenager. I don’t know exactly how I “picked” City as my squad, but it had something to do with (a) I love the physical city of Manchester; (b) the 04 FA Cup replay v. Spurs was the greatest comeback I’ve seen in any sport; (c) I detest United, the New York Yankees of the game; and (d) I loved Richard Dunne. Maybe there were other reasons. But not family, not a geographical tie. I’m not “ethnically” City. But it’s NOT manufactured, either. It just happened. Why do you meet someone and fall in love?

I don’t see how passion of any sort can be discounted. I get up ridiculously early – sometimes at 4:30 am California time – to watch matches. I’ve flown the 5,100 miles to Manchester at least once a season since 06 with the air miles I accumulate for work to be there in person (Everton last month, e.g.). My 7-year-old son taught his friends the Balotelli song (we substitute “full of class” for “fuckin’ class” though). My 5-year-old daughter named our cat “Manchester Kitty” (sorry). I’m outnumbered 40-1 with United, Chelsea and Liverpool fans where I live, and 10,000-1 with “Who gives a shit about soccer?” fans. I remember biting my nails, knowing if City had gotten relegated under Pearce, I wouldn’t ever see a game on TV again until City got back to the Prem.

Axe is right about the deep local ties of clubs, and I’m an outsider. I get the picture on city and family, but let me turn that around: what irritated me about liam’s original post was that he doesn’t realize how lucky he is. I envy the majority of City fans who live within walking distance, a train ride or a car drive of Etihad. If you so choose to spend your ducats, you can be there every match. You can hang in the pub with your mates every night and talk football. You can read and hear endless commentary about City daily in the prints and on TV. City is all around you. You live and breathe it. You grew up with it. Yes, I know I am lucky too because I can make it out to northwest England once in a while to follow the club, but it certainly comes at a high price in dollars and time, and the nearest rabid City fan I know lives 18 miles away from me.

At the end of the day, I think the passion, humor, loyalty and (previous) stoic bitterness-mixed-with-hope nature of old-school, born and bred City fans is unmatched among U.S. sports fans. The long-suffering among you more than anyone deserve this club’s success. But that doesn't mean those of us not raised 500 yards from Maine Road with a City dad and granddad can't feel at least close to the same highs and lows. Not the same, granted, but close.

PS. Personally, the NFL bores the living shit out of me. I’m not going to go glom onto the San Francisco 49ers – a club tied to my city and family – because they opened the season 5-1, or for any reason.


Nice post mate; I would rather our ground was full for games and I would be happy for it to be people who give a shit about City, like yourself
 

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