New fans

[Anonymous]

some of them seemed emotional especially that asian/american woman.

i love the fact we have fans like that.

they could have easily picked united, liverpool, arsenal and chelsea but picked us.

they're blues and i love them.

im sure they'd still pick us if we were languishing in division 2. i think not

would you of in their shoes? nope.

they probably never saw us play in div 2, because of the coverage just being premier league.

that woman said " thank god the club i love as finally won something " or something along those lines, sounds a proper fan to me.

also there are plenty of fans who stopped going when pearce was in charge, i should know because i carried on every week, the stadium was 25% empty every week. it angers me a little that people ditched city and came back.

but its their right to turn up, just as its the foreign fans right to support city.

 

[Hoyt_Axthelm]

I'll tell you what gets me.

It's the fake emotion of it all. That women going on about how much it means to her. The blokes acting as if they have just seen the FA Cup final when it is a snide friendly (granted, which will be more exciting to someone who has never seen a game before).

It's people 'acting' how they think 'football fans should act'.

Unless those people have some sort of unique and unimaginable deep seated, bizarre, long suffering connection to MCFC then it is just impossible for them to hold the sort of emotions for the club that they seek to act out.

Unless they have the IQs of seven year olds and are able to convince themselves otherwise.

I've attempted to have this conversation with dozens of people, many, many times before. It never gets anywhere as people cannot lift it beyond cliches like "who are you to tell me ......" and "everyone is welcome........" as if expressing some surprise at the contrast between the pure, cold and ruthless logic this type of fan use to 'choose' their team and the extreme 'from the heart' emotion that they seek to portray is an unspeakable thing.

I will put it like this. In politics and almost everything in life I could be portrayed as a lily livered, anti nationalist, pro global liberal or any other associated cliche. But when it comes to my football I am almost xenophobic in my beliefs. Football clubs represent a place and the people from that place. And unless you have some sort of family connection then 'choosing' to declare that you support (and I mean 'support' a club, not 'follow' or 'like') a club that is not local-ish to you is just fucking bizarre.

Picture this, if Real Madrid came on tour to Manchester and you were someone who watches la Liga and Madrid on Sky every week, really liking their attacking ethos and the history of the club, would you deem it anything other than ridiculous to agree to appear in a TV feature where you seek to get all emotional about what Madrid means to you and how you are a 'Massive Madrid fan', like those from Madrid who go every week.

I put it to you that no, you wouldn't, because you would realise how fraudulent it was and how it wasn't true. That you don't possess these rabid feelings for Madrid as they have nothing to do with you, you have no connection and you purely admire the club and/or like watching them play.

You might, if you enjoy a bit of publicity consider appearing ina feature where you express admiration for the club and its history, ethos, (maybe its current team) and way of playing.

So when I see 'far flung' fans acting like they think 'proper fans act, I have no problem with saying I think it is bullshit and I question the mentality of such people. Some won't agree with this, but I say it is impossible for someone who has little connection with the club and hasn't followed them for a significant period of time to feel the emotions that, say, the woman on the video seeks to paint about the FA Cup win. Unless they have a very strange mentality.

Yes, as people say, the club needs gullible idiots around the world to convince themselves that they are 'part of it' - hence the campaign. But make no mistake, the club, and all clubs who seek that market, don't believe their own bullshit. Their attitude, no matter how much lip service they pay to these markets, is as cynical as it gets and all about fleecing these people of their cash.

I would also venture to say that if the topic wasn't football, and in man cases specifically MCFC - the club we support, many people who take the "its great, spread the world, these people make such a commitment and love the club so much" approach would think the same mentality about another walk of life to be fucking bizarre.

Imagine an American appearing on tv telling us all how emotional he is and how passionate he is about Marks and Spencers. He's never been in an M&S shop and has not connection to the business at all but he gets the FT every day and he follows the ups and downs of the share price religiously. M&S means so much to him, as much as it does to any share holder, any employee, any loyal customer. Because one day he choose to portray that as the case. And purely by saying that is the case, that becomes the truth.

OK, so the example isn't a great one, but the acting is bollocks and insulting and indicative of a certain type of mentality. Not a particularly endearing one either.

That clip that went round on YouTube the other day showing the United fan in Thailand surrounded by all the Liverpool fans in his Rooney top.

The big joke, worldwide, was on him apparently. Was it fuck. It was just as much on the 'Liverpool fans' and their pure self delusion, mimicking Scousers, even down to attempting to mimic the accent and emphasis put on certain syllables in certain chants.

Those people are no doubt rational and well balanced human beings in every other walk of life. So why do they choose to act like the very worst type of needy, "I want to be associated with success" seven year olds when it comes to football.

Bollocks to the lot of it. They deserve to be fleeced by cynical football clubs for being so childish about the whole thing and their horrendous attempts to disguise their cold, cynical 'choice' with the language and actions of sporting emotion.

lol, this is what gets your ire? The fact that newbies suddenly have the same interest that you've held dear to your heart first?

Happens all the time when indie music fans love their bands and hate the bandwagoneers that jump on when the band becomes more successful.

Sounds to me like a lot of futile Grandpa Simpson yelling at the clouds. Cheer up and enjoy the fact that your club is attracting attention for the right reasons.

 

[BlakeTheBlue]

I'll tell you what gets me.

It's the fake emotion of it all. That women going on about how much it means to her. The blokes acting as if they have just seen the FA Cup final when it is a snide friendly (granted, which will be more exciting to someone who has never seen a game before).

It's people 'acting' how they think 'football fans should act'.

Unless those people have some sort of unique and unimaginable deep seated, bizarre, long suffering connection to MCFC then it is just impossible for them to hold the sort of emotions for the club that they seek to act out.

Unless they have the IQs of seven year olds and are able to convince themselves otherwise.

I've attempted to have this conversation with dozens of people, many, many times before. It never gets anywhere as people cannot lift it beyond cliches like "who are you to tell me ......" and "everyone is welcome........" as if expressing some surprise at the contrast between the pure, cold and ruthless logic this type of fan use to 'choose' their team and the extreme 'from the heart' emotion that they seek to portray is an unspeakable thing.

I will put it like this. In politics and almost everything in life I could be portrayed as a lily livered, anti nationalist, pro global liberal or any other associated cliche. But when it comes to my football I am almost xenophobic in my beliefs. Football clubs represent a place and the people from that place. And unless you have some sort of family connection then 'choosing' to declare that you support (and I mean 'support' a club, not 'follow' or 'like') a club that is not local-ish to you is just fucking bizarre.

Picture this, if Real Madrid came on tour to Manchester and you were someone who watches la Liga and Madrid on Sky every week, really liking their attacking ethos and the history of the club, would you deem it anything other than ridiculous to agree to appear in a TV feature where you seek to get all emotional about what Madrid means to you and how you are a 'Massive Madrid fan', like those from Madrid who go every week.

I put it to you that no, you wouldn't, because you would realise how fraudulent it was and how it wasn't true. That you don't possess these rabid feelings for Madrid as they have nothing to do with you, you have no connection and you purely admire the club and/or like watching them play.

You might, if you enjoy a bit of publicity consider appearing ina feature where you express admiration for the club and its history, ethos, (maybe its current team) and way of playing.

So when I see 'far flung' fans acting like they think 'proper fans act, I have no problem with saying I think it is bullshit and I question the mentality of such people. Some won't agree with this, but I say it is impossible for someone who has little connection with the club and hasn't followed them for a significant period of time to feel the emotions that, say, the woman on the video seeks to paint about the FA Cup win. Unless they have a very strange mentality.

Yes, as people say, the club needs gullible idiots around the world to convince themselves that they are 'part of it' - hence the campaign. But make no mistake, the club, and all clubs who seek that market, don't believe their own bullshit. Their attitude, no matter how much lip service they pay to these markets, is as cynical as it gets and all about fleecing these people of their cash.

I would also venture to say that if the topic wasn't football, and in man cases specifically MCFC - the club we support, many people who take the "its great, spread the world, these people make such a commitment and love the club so much" approach would think the same mentality about another walk of life to be fucking bizarre.

Imagine an American appearing on tv telling us all how emotional he is and how passionate he is about Marks and Spencers. He's never been in an M&S shop and has not connection to the business at all but he gets the FT every day and he follows the ups and downs of the share price religiously. M&S means so much to him, as much as it does to any share holder, any employee, any loyal customer. Because one day he choose to portray that as the case. And purely by saying that is the case, that becomes the truth.

OK, so the example isn't a great one, but the acting is bollocks and insulting and indicative of a certain type of mentality. Not a particularly endearing one either.

That clip that went round on YouTube the other day showing the United fan in Thailand surrounded by all the Liverpool fans in his Rooney top.

The big joke, worldwide, was on him apparently. Was it fuck. It was just as much on the 'Liverpool fans' and their pure self delusion, mimicking Scousers, even down to attempting to mimic the accent and emphasis put on certain syllables in certain chants.

Those people are no doubt rational and well balanced human beings in every other walk of life. So why do they choose to act like the very worst type of needy, "I want to be associated with success" seven year olds when it comes to football.

Bollocks to the lot of it. They deserve to be fleeced by cynical football clubs for being so childish about the whole thing and their horrendous attempts to disguise their cold, cynical 'choice' with the language and actions of sporting emotion.

I'm not quite sure what to make of this post. Hmmm, are you a twat or are you in parts at least right? I guess i used to think like you. i was born and raised In north Manchester and i've been a blue pre ordained since birth as were the overwhelming majority pre 2008.

I always thought you can't support a club unless you have that local connection, it just didn't seem right, I mean how could you. But then i realised, Something which you have not it seems, that it's utter bollocks and it's only football and hey, guess what, you can do what the fuck you want.

If Johnny Yankypants from Badidlyboing Idaho wants to support football, Good for him. If he thinks "Well Man City are the team on peoples lips right now, let's go for them" then all the better. I'd rather he support us than another club.

Does his not being a Manc Blue from birth like me and you make him "Less" of a fan? Maybe. But for whatever reason the folk in that clip Chose City, They Chose to be part of us, And i for one welcome them.

Plus remember, They probably Have fell in love with City and the sport in general. It's impossible for them to get to the FA Cup final so that probably did mean a lot to them.

 

[pominoz]

I would like to know how the op and others can tell that any of them in the video are "new fans".
They may have been City fans for years,i did not see "new fan" tattood on any of their foreheads.
Just because they have an accent,does not make them new fans.

 

[Ticket For Schalke]

Some cannot accept new fans, yet they can accept a Captain from Buenos Aires, An Owner from Abu Dhabi, An Italian as a Manager, A Brazlian as our record buy and a club Legend from Germany........................

 

[LoveCity]

It isn't fair to try and shut out the people who will help us become a global powerhouse.

At the same time, it is entirely reasonable to abhor the "Football Manager" City fans (see: MCFC Facebook) who demand we sign Messi and Ronaldo and call for the heads of less fashionable plays like, say, Lescott - or "wonder" why we're "suddenly" copying AC Milan with our away kit when even people who have supported the club for a year should by now realize the history of that kit from commentary and the website.

Emotional attachment is a key term for me, someone can support City for 6 months and be completely enthralled and in love with every aspect of the club - that is a fan. Someone can support City for 2 years only because we have money, big names, and can sign more big names - that is a plastic and I will never like them, even if the harsh reality is they are the price of success.

 

[baylorblue]

So according to the logic here since I follow City and Barnet results I'm a real fan of Barnet because they are shit and I follow them now but not of City because I became a fan during the 02/03 campaign because we were so successful then? We only got a handful of matches and even then it was from one league, you tell me what our option was? I should have supported Dulwich Hamlet because they weren't on TV? Don't be so naive. We support Premier League teams because that's what we were exposed to and for some of us to have the guts to have chosen City over United or Chelsea or Arsenal or Liverpool or hell even Tottenham or Newcastle should say more about us than you give us credit. Don't forget, for Americans, supporting the game at all is a rough existence or at least has been until recently. We're not asking to be considered in the same breath long suffering fans, we're just asking not to be treated as indignantly as some of you have. We're Blues, we are hungry to learn the history of the club, we soak it in because that's all we can do. We aren't privileged to make it to every match so we have to scrap together thousands of dollars to make a trip over to see one match and for what? To get ripped apart by those of you who deem us as unworthy? Don't look to the past, look to the future, we're all Blues and we all want success for the club.

 

[Skashion]

f Johnny Yankypants from Badidlyboing Idaho wants to support football, Good for him.

I'd think about that person, "what a guy".

 

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

I shouldn't have posted on here as it opens up a never ending debate that I have never got to the bottom of completely.

However, I have just received a PM and I thought I'd make this my last post on it.

I hope the person who sent it doesn't mind but I'll take an anonymous extract from it as I find it interesting.

I always thought you can't support a club unless you have that local connection, it just didn't seem right, I mean how could you. But then i realised, Something which you have not it seems, that it's utter bollocks and it's only football and hey, guess what, you can do what the fuck you want.

I say it is interesting because this phrase:

"it's only football, you can do what you want"

is key to my own views on the subject.

It is only football. It is pointless in the scheme of things. No matter now much money and emotion I've invested in the club over the years, that is a fact that no sane person can dispute.

That's why I don't view it in the same way I would if it were an 'important' topic.

Take politics or political movements/ideas that can genuine change the world, for good or bad.

They can be powerful or dangerous things. People will attach themselves to and support concepts or movements from around the world because they attach tremendous importance to such things and see them as an important part of shaping the direction of humanity.

From the Spanish Civil War, to the Crusades, to the constant troubles in Afghanistan, to Communism, to the Arab Spring, to the fight against the Nazis. People on all sides, from around the world, will attach themselves to certain sides, even travel to support it physically, because they view such things as hugely important to the people of the region, the world, or even the future of humanity.

These are things worthy of seeking out, no matter where they are in the world, because they are, in the mind of those people at least, genuine huge issues for humanity. Things that will genuinely have a huge impact on the lives of millions, depending on how they are resolved.

Now compare that to football, something that is insignificant in comparison.

Why would you do the same with that? Why would you seek to attach yourself to something around the other side of the world and to 'emote' about this issue. Football isn't important. So why do people find it important to a) seek out success and attach themselves to it and b) go to great lengths to demonstrate how much they 'feel it' and how this club, from the other side of the world, without doubt, holds a great place in their heart.

It is fucking football. As much as I love it, a nothing subject. Something that means nothing. So why the desperation to act out the charade. Why, over a subject matter that means nothing in comparison to genuinely serious issue, seek out success around the other side of the country/world? Purely for the sake of success itself? Will your support for that club have a genuine effect on your life or the future happiness of others? No it won't. So what is the point?

And why the charade and desperation to be seen as hugely emotional about this subject matter that cannot mean that much to you as a purely cold, logical choice? It isn't an important topic. It won't affect the world we live in. So why always the rabid attempts to allows prove, by acting with the 'passion' and emotion it is thought a rabid fan should exhibit, how much it means to people. By definition, by the fact that football isn't important, it is ridiculous to manufacture this passion for it.

It isn't something important. It isn't a political doctrine. It isn't that unique or ground breaking. It isn't worthwhile seeking out around the other side of the world. A football club around the other side of the world is not different to the one on your doorstep, other than the fact that one may be more successful. It isn't worth seeking out. Football isn't that important.

So when people say to be 'it isn't important, it's only football', I agree. That's why I think it is ridiculous to act in a way that seeks to paint it as being so. Faking emotion over a subject that it so unimportant and so detached from you by geography and history. It's not a revolution that you need to travel miles to support. It's a football club, just like the ones that are on our doorstep. So what's the point. And even if you do admire the club, what exactly is wrong with admiration. Why the constant tendency with having to replace admiration and 'liking' with 'passion' and public displays of emotion about 'how much it means'? Football isn't that important. And that is exactly my point.

 

[Ticket For Schalke]

I shouldn't have posted on here as it opens up a never ending debate that I have never got to the bottom of completely.

However, I have just received a PM and I thought I'd make this my last post on it.

I hope the person who sent it doesn't mind but I'll take an anonymous extract from it as I find it interesting.

I always thought you can't support a club unless you have that local connection, it just didn't seem right, I mean how could you. But then i realised, Something which you have not it seems, that it's utter bollocks and it's only football and hey, guess what, you can do what the fuck you want.

I say it is interesting because this phrase:

"it's only football, you can do what you want"

is key to my own views on the subject.

It is only football. It is pointless in the scheme of things. No matter now much money and emotion I've invested in the club over the years, that is a fact that no sane person can dispute.

That's why I don't view it in the same way I would if it were an 'important' topic.

Take politics or political movements/ideas that can genuine change the world, for good or bad.

They can be powerful or dangerous things. People will attach themselves to and support concepts or movements from around the world because they attach tremendous importance to such things and see them as an important part of shaping the direction of humanity.

From the Spanish Civil War, to the Crusades, to the constant troubles in Afghanistan, to Communism, to the Arab Spring, to the fight against the Nazis. People on all sides, from around the world, will attach themselves to certain sides, even travel to support it physically, because they view such things as hugely important to the people of the region, the world, or even the future of humanity.

These are things worthy of seeking out, no matter where they are in the world, because they are, in the mind of those people at least, genuine huge issues for humanity. Things that will genuinely have a huge impact on the lives of millions, depending on how they are resolved.

Now compare that to football, something that is insignificant in comparison.

Why would you do the same with that? Why would you seek to attach yourself to something around the other side of the world and to 'emote' about this issue. Football isn't important. So why do people find it important to a) seek out success and attach themselves to it and b) go to great lengths to demonstrate how much they 'feel it' and how this club, from the other side of the world, without doubt, holds a great place in their heart.

It is fucking football. As much as I love it, a nothing subject. Something that means nothing. So why the desperation to act out the charade. Why, over a subject matter that means nothing in comparison to genuinely serious issue, seek out success around the other side of the country/world? Purely for the sake of success itself? Will your support for that club have a genuine effect on your life or the future happiness of others? No it won't. So what is the point?

And why the charade and desperation to be seen as hugely emotional about this subject matter that cannot mean that much to you as a purely cold, logical choice? It isn't an important topic. It won't affect the world we live in. So why always the rabid attempts to allows prove, by acting with the 'passion' and emotion it is thought a rabid fan should exhibit, how much it means to people. By definition, by the fact that football isn't important, it is ridiculous to manufacture this passion for it.

It isn't something important. It isn't a political doctrine. It isn't that unique or ground breaking. It isn't worthwhile seeking out around the other side of the world. A football club around the other side of the world is not different to the one on your doorstep, other than the fact that one may be more successful. It isn't worth seeking out. Football isn't that important.

So when people say to be 'it isn't important, it's only football', I agree. That's why I think it is ridiculous to act in a way that seeks to paint it as being so. Faking emotion over a subject that it so unimportant and so detached from you by geography and history. It's not a revolution that you need to travel miles to support. It's a football club, just like the ones that are on our doorstep. So what's the point. And even if you do admire the club, what exactly is wrong with admiration. Why the constant tendency with having to replace admiration and 'liking' with 'passion' and public displays of emotion about 'how much it means'? Football isn't that important. And that is exactly my point.

No one can ever get to the bottom of the page when you post.. ha