I had the (dis)pleasure of listening to Radio Manchester for the commentary. They had Mike Minay and Malcolm Christie. Mike Minay professes to be a blue but always remember a commentary v the Scousers and he greeted one of their goals with 'Oh Yes !!'. Malcolm Christie with no affiliation to City as far as I can see co-commentating was willing the Geordies on at every opportunity. I thought that local radio would have at least a small bias but not Radio Manchester. Very weird. I remember last season being in Derby when we played Leicester away and listened to the match on Radio Leicester - that is how local radio commentary should be, totally biased to he team in their locality.
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I think we did fine to take a point from yesterday. My key take-away was the spirit shown at 3-1 to get back in the game. Historically we've lost those games, not playing well and tactical errors.
Newcastle probably played at their absolute maximum too.
The major issue first half was how we ceded control of the match with the inverted full back system. It was allowing us to attack quickly and vertically through their lines, but it also meant there were a lot more turnovers of possession. This then allowed Newcastle to play quickly through us and get ASM one on one, with a lot of runners from midfield/wide areas. It didn't help that Walker, Rodri & Stones weren't at their best and played some awful passes - like when Stones just floated the ball into midfield - not enough conviction.
A large part of our success in the last two seasons has been the control of games.
We did change shape to a more traditional 4-3-3 after the Trippier goal and two good goals to get level. They dropped off significantly and were happy to counter from deep for the rest of the game. Chances were there to win but a point was fine given the circumstances.
However, there's still room for improvement. Foden has twice failed to square for Haaland to tap in now and we need to show more conviction when defending.
One final point - there's a case for us needing to be more 'professional' or sly when dealing with challenges like Trippier, Joelinton & Guimares in the first half. Trippier endangered De Bruyne through the height of the challenge and it was a red card, but KDB getting up and accepting an apology just adds weight to the overturn. Guimares committed a second yellow offence but we just bounced up and got on with it, hence the referee will let them go. Joelinton pulled back and tripped Bernardo out wide and we just got on with it.
Too often we're on the end of tackles and jump straight up, like Foden at Anfield last year. Stay down and make the referee think, unfortunately by getting straight up etc it just lets them off. Pope was happy to sit on the ground and kill the game at 3-3. Every week you'll see teams use these ideas against us, we need to give to back to them.
Newcastle probably played at their absolute maximum too.
The major issue first half was how we ceded control of the match with the inverted full back system. It was allowing us to attack quickly and vertically through their lines, but it also meant there were a lot more turnovers of possession. This then allowed Newcastle to play quickly through us and get ASM one on one, with a lot of runners from midfield/wide areas. It didn't help that Walker, Rodri & Stones weren't at their best and played some awful passes - like when Stones just floated the ball into midfield - not enough conviction.
A large part of our success in the last two seasons has been the control of games.
We did change shape to a more traditional 4-3-3 after the Trippier goal and two good goals to get level. They dropped off significantly and were happy to counter from deep for the rest of the game. Chances were there to win but a point was fine given the circumstances.
However, there's still room for improvement. Foden has twice failed to square for Haaland to tap in now and we need to show more conviction when defending.
One final point - there's a case for us needing to be more 'professional' or sly when dealing with challenges like Trippier, Joelinton & Guimares in the first half. Trippier endangered De Bruyne through the height of the challenge and it was a red card, but KDB getting up and accepting an apology just adds weight to the overturn. Guimares committed a second yellow offence but we just bounced up and got on with it, hence the referee will let them go. Joelinton pulled back and tripped Bernardo out wide and we just got on with it.
Too often we're on the end of tackles and jump straight up, like Foden at Anfield last year. Stay down and make the referee think, unfortunately by getting straight up etc it just lets them off. Pope was happy to sit on the ground and kill the game at 3-3. Every week you'll see teams use these ideas against us, we need to give to back to them.
We normally have a performance like this at the beginning of every season due to lack of match fitness, so coming back from 2 goals down (again) is a positive imo.
We probably did miss Grealish ability to slow down the game, hence the basketball style game.
7 out of 9 points to start is fine, just have to kick on now with a winning run before the World Cup. Palace normally are our bogey team at home but we’re due a big win against them so we’ll put it right on Saturday
We probably did miss Grealish ability to slow down the game, hence the basketball style game.
7 out of 9 points to start is fine, just have to kick on now with a winning run before the World Cup. Palace normally are our bogey team at home but we’re due a big win against them so we’ll put it right on Saturday
He wont play that well again this season. He always shows flashes of it, but yesterday he exploited our full back tactics and ripped us to shreds.Everything positive by them came through Maximo teams will double up and treble up on him now
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That game was made for a tough tackler like Kalvin Phillips.
Agree, but we did ourselves no favours in how we dealt with him. Huge gaps and then letting him drift about willy nilly.Everything positive by them came through Maximo teams will double up and treble up on him now
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I am not a cynical person.... well only a little bit...but I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that the powers that be in the FA et al have 2 rule books.
The rules of the Football Association for England, Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland.
These rules apply to all clubs with only one exception. Please see the Blue labelled rule book for the other club.
The rules of the Football Association for Manchester City Football Club ONLY.
Including in particular: Even the slightest query MUST ALWAYS be referred to VAR.
The rules of the Football Association for England, Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland.
These rules apply to all clubs with only one exception. Please see the Blue labelled rule book for the other club.
The rules of the Football Association for Manchester City Football Club ONLY.
Including in particular: Even the slightest query MUST ALWAYS be referred to VAR.
Not often i criticise Pep but i thought he got it horribly wrong yesterday. Allowing Maximum the freedom he got by playing walker in the position he was just opened the game totally up for them. When Walker did play at RB his head was so gone from trying to play that CM position, he couldn't get near him and just allowed Maximum to completely run the game. We should of known that was the one area they could really hurt us and set up to stop that.Agree, but we did ourselves no favours in how we dealt with him. Huge gaps and then letting him drift about willy nilly.
Agree, but we did ourselves no favours in how we dealt with him. Huge gaps and then letting him drift about willy nilly.
Yeah even pep said we had to stop him before he turned or got the ball!
Eccles Blue
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I asked the question earlier in the thread and didn't get a response.The tactics yesterday did him no favours at all that’s for certain, but there were signs last season Kyle’s physical excellence had dipped just slightly, that “B of the bang” has gone slightly, or his reflex’s, that ‘snap’, if you want it in simpler terms, his powers of recovery and recuperation are not what they were, people with a sports/science background will see these things too, it’s to be expected.
That’s not a slight on the lad either, he still remains one of the most outstanding athletes I’ve ever seen in my life and he’ll still have quite a few years ahead of him at top level if the decline remains steady and gradual, we as a club just have to manage what we ask of him a bit better.
Has Kyle Walker had a bout of Covid at all? Even the slightest one can (not always does but can) leave a 'residue of fatigue for a loooong time later. I'm not talking Long Covid here just the after effects. I know at least 3 people who had a very mild dose and are still talking a month and more later of feeling extremely tired.
Just a thought lads and lassies.
dadnlad
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nobody plays as wide open as we doEverything positive by them came through Maximo teams will double up and treble up on him now
great when passing and speed in the moves but one error and the speed of max leaves you wide open
dadnlad
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had a load of ale over the summer i guess few week off full fitness yetI asked the question earlier in the thread and didn't get a response.
Has Kyle Walker had a bout of Covid at all? Even the slightest one can (not always does but can) leave a 'residue of fatigue for a loooong time later. I'm not talking Long Covid here just the after effects. I know at least 3 people who had a very mild dose and are still talking a month and more later of feeling extremely tired.
Just a thought lads and lassies.
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He's said before if the team look like getting back into the game, and we did, substitues can disrupt that momentum. That's the reasoning, and he's explained it a few times.i think he thinks that the lads have to sort the mess out they have made to a point mate?
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nobody plays as wide open as we do
great when passing and speed in the moves but one error and the speed of max leaves you wide open
Yep we controlled it better second half or maybe Maximo burned himself out bottom line we should of gone on and win after we equalised on the 64th min but still happy with the fight back and draw..
We really did miss Grealish. His ability to win fouls and slow play down is vital to stopping opponents momentum. He may not pop up with goals and assists but what he does do is slow the game down and help us control the game. He’s also brilliant at retaining possession.
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Bit unfair on Kyle, I think. He had Joelinton right in front of him and was being drawn into marking/competing with him, given the midfield responsibilities he was tasked with, leaving ASM free behind him. I believe Howe did this deliberately.
ASM is one of the quickest players in the league and because of the above, Kyle was giving him 3 yards start most times which is why John was exposed having to come over to engage ASM. When it was a 'fair' race, I think Kyle did ok.
First half, we had 2 centre halves, and 2 fullbacks and a CDM playing in midfield playing against 6 attacking players who were choking any forward passes and getting at our penalty area. Maybe we are missing Lillo Lill atm, but he didn't correct it until half time.
ASM is one of the quickest players in the league and because of the above, Kyle was giving him 3 yards start most times which is why John was exposed having to come over to engage ASM. When it was a 'fair' race, I think Kyle did ok.
First half, we had 2 centre halves, and 2 fullbacks and a CDM playing in midfield playing against 6 attacking players who were choking any forward passes and getting at our penalty area. Maybe we are missing Lillo Lill atm, but he didn't correct it until half time.
I'm sure we will improve, but it was just so easy and effective for them to employ that tactic.Not often i criticise Pep but i thought he got it horribly wrong yesterday. Allowing Maximum the freedom he got by playing walker in the position he was just opened the game totally up for them. When Walker did play at RB his head was so gone from trying to play that CM position, he couldn't get near him and just allowed Maximum to completely run the game. We should of known that was the one area they could really hurt us and set up to stop that.
Lovebitesandeveryfing
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that is how local radio commentary should be, totally biased to he team in their locality.
Can't say I really agree with this, frankly. Obviously, local radio will be broadly favourable to the local team, but actually, surely the job of a responsible journalist is to inform the viewer/listener? I'm a fan, so are you, we're allowed to be as biased as we like (and we are!), I don't really need it from a journo of any stripe, I just want them to tell what's going on in the game fairly equitably (and I can do the ranting and raving then to my heart's content).
Nedum seems to me one of the most exemplary journalists working in the media at present. You can clearly feel his affection for City, that's fine, but he doesn't let it cloud his judgement. He's extremely articulate, but he doesn't talk just for the sake of talking.
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Yes — but were you not entertained ?