Newcastle United (A) | Post Match thread

[nijinsky]

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That is the exact definition of a straight red in the laws of the game

High & out of control. Doesn’t matter if there’s intent or not, or if he seriously injured Kev or not

Fernandinho really didn’t make a single challenge like that in any game as far as I can remember, so to say he did it every game is a little odd to say the least

And aimed at the knee not the ball. He's always been snide **** in Robertson style. Can't stand these type of thugs.
Joelinton should have had a yellow before he took out KDB late on.

 

[Stephen230]

Just watching back on MOTD2 as we speak. Gets more of a red card challenge every time I see it

I’ve gone the opposite way to be honest. Was raging after a few pints and in the moment, watching it live. But I’m ok with it being a yellow seeing it again today. It was clearly a “tactical” foul as they like to call it these days. But I didn’t think there was enough force to warrant a straight red. Still a bit surprised the VAR thought it was an obvious enough mistake to advise him to review it though. I’m pretty certain the FA wouldn’t have thrown it out if it had stood and they’d appealed.

 

[simmo]

An entertaining game but come away and the talking point is about the officials.

Ref was far too lenient.

In real time he sees it as a red, brandishes a card. He was certain by what he first saw. If not, watch the monitor then make decision. It’s open to interpretation whoever is the var checker.

For motd then to focus on something and nothing with Stones and not even make reference to the Kev challenge.

 

[Woody135]

The ref was weak all afternoon not just that one decision. Never heard of him before but suggest he doesnt get a prime time game for a while

 

[halfcenturyup]

I never like players getting sent off for a late foul, but when you are out of control and both feet off the floor you are in dangering a major injury to the player even if you say there was no malice,

it's a red card, not a soft yellow
everything you see is why the rules say it's red, why VAR made the match official overturn it is a joke
did they think there was on contact ? I think that's what they were looking at and not the player out of control with both feet off the ground, it's late, it's from behind, it's out of control, it's dangerous, both feet off the ground, it's a red card

The thing is: we will never know will we? Maybe the ref thought it was a studs up challenge and asked for clarification of that? Until we hear what they are saying, who the fuck knows?

 

[ancoats]

The thing is: we will never know will we? Maybe the ref thought it was a studs up challenge and asked for clarification of that? Until we hear what they are saying, who the fuck knows?

So has VAR work in football if we are still not 100% correct, answer on a post card

 

[AirbagsOptionalTheReturn]

The ref was weak all afternoon not just that one decision. Never heard of him before but suggest he doesnt get a prime time game for a while

Yeah he booked one of them early (and rightly so) and then seemed to not want to book them for anything (crowd pressure) - Joel (CBA spelling it) should have had a yellow way before the one on Kev. Anyway we were still all at sea in the first half and I am chuffed we managed a point and even disappointed we did not manage to get a 4th as there was 25mins plus left after we equalised.

 

[supersonicblue]

Dihno was the master of tactical fouls but I don’t recall many of any of them where he went off his feet, most were just just trips from behind. Newcastle players were throwing themselves and Kev and Haaland to prevent counters. I’m ok with tactical fouls when the players stays on his feet to in initiate it but they become much more reckless when the tackles goes off his feet.

 

[halfcenturyup]

So has VAR work in football if we are still not 100% correct, answer on a post card

Nothing will ever be 100% correct where people are involved. I think the principles are right, but we need to hear in real time what the referee thinks he saw in an incident, then we will all know if he made a clear and obvious error that should be corrected by looking at the monitor. We are all making up scenarios as to why the ref gave red, and then coming to conclusions about why VAR corrected it. But we don't know anything about anything to come to any conclusion at all. Just mic them up, get the referee to explain what he thought he saw, then VAR can help him if he made a mistake. Just mic the fuckers up. What are they afraid of? It might just make the game more enjoyable, God forbid.

 

[Legal Alien]

After our bright start we were completely overrun in Midfield and were desperately needing some extra bodies in legs and energy in there.
Gundogan is obviously a class act but didn’t offer any help or protection for the back four or for Rodri…..should have moved Bernardo to there or brought Phillips on.
Foden was poor….but not sure he had the right angle to square for Haarland.
The fullbacks were awful yesterday….Cancelo gave the ball away so many times especially in the first half and in dangerous positions and Stones looked so ponderous on the ball….and gave away a stupid free kick which led to their goal.
Still we still nearly won it in the end and you have to credit Newcastle.

I agree
We were all over the place in the first half, over-run in midfield and they targeted Walker when he moved inside. Saying that though we had two great chances to score when KDB and Foden went through and both should've played the ball across.

We were a lot better second half we tightened up at the back, controlled possession and should've won really.

I was surprised that Phillips never came on, i thought that sort of game was what we bought him for.

Fair play to Newcastle though for having a go, but we had the better chances and their keeper was motm.

 

[butlerkb]

I agree with this, well played Newcastle, they were well up for it and Saint Maximin was a real handful. The crowd were really engaged also. The Premier League isn't meant to be a stroll, and we fought back for a hard earned point. The vast majority of teams would have lost that game. Lets not reach the stage where we feel entitled to win football matches.

Great game, city’s fitness was amazing, the number of times they won the ball back in second half, their passing and ball control was amazing. Newcastle were so quick on the break and pressed well for 70 min but we outplayed them in the last 20 min and without Pope we would have won it. Great character, haarland offered plenty of good one twos and put in plenty of work. Altogether a great game and good point after being 3-1 in that atmosphere. Newcastle will cause plenty of upsets if that San Martin can keep it going ( reminds me of Wolves’ traore a few years back). I posted earlier that maybe we needed subs but seeing how Walker and Rodri improved in second half I think it was a big ask to come in at that pace of game. Great team efforts

 

[FantasyIreland]

haarland

who?

 

[Rorz88]

Just watching back on MOTD2 as we speak. Gets more of a red card challenge every time I see it

Its ok though, MOTD2 decided to concentrate on the Stones 'challenge' and thought it was a pen ffs

 

[Zenmanc]

Much better to scrape back 2 and draw than concede a few late after being ahead and draw.
Just a few IMOs for what they are worth:
Pep should reconsider the dueling inverted fullback experiment- it's not ideal for Walker. It is the first time I have ever seen a game he featured in where I was holding my breath every time he was challenged- St. Max appeared to be less that phased by him and Walker consistently moving into midfield means he's needing to sprint back into defensive shape which isn't exactly what Kyle needs given our lack of cover. I think Kyle looked best when we were going for broke and he was making runs down the flank like a traditional #2. I think Phil needs to feature more often in the midfield- yet that said I guess I think he should not have started yesterday as Gundo was on point and I doubt Phil could have done any more there. I'd like to see Alvarez as I think his speed and threat upfront will ultimately offer more than Phil has in that role. As well as Bernie played I think his tenacity in midfield helps our defense- absorbs the break and allows us to possess better. Stones was rusty, Ake looked great again and I hold my breath wondering how long he's out. I honesty think him getting time at LB as well as CB will allow more cover for Kyle in the form of Cancelo.

I cannot help but think we are thin in depth but also realize we have not featured Phillips yet and aside from full back I am not even sure where I would bring in a new player. Hopefully Palmer and others can get some minutes in Barca and really show he's ready to challenge for a spot. All in all I am pleased to draw a game like this where we were down as I really do not think even last year's squad or a few before it had the steel to mount that comeback. Being a team with a true 9 again is an adjustment and will take time but we are starting to click in areas. Haaland truly is a difference maker and a force for other team to reckon with that we have not had in many seasons.

 

[dadnlad]

Phillips should deffo have come on when Maximilian was ripping our right side. If not then, why did we buy him?

the Barcelona friendly obviously

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

Just back from Newcastle so not read all the posts therefore maybe repeating something already said.

I've heard everyone (including Gallagher) say that Trippier's foul was only a yellow but it appears that the default option with De Bruyne now is to just foul him. The first Newcastle yellow was for a similar assault by Guimaraes and that should have been a red too. No attempt at the ball, just hack him down. Hopefully someone like Fred or McTominay or (very possibly) Casemiro hacks that cheating shite Salah down tonight with a tackle similar to either of those mentioned and causes serious damage. Then see the media circus do a swift about turn

 

[JRockBlues]

Here's why a lot of people are not happy that Trippier's red was overturned. The following shos a comparison with a tackle by Allan that was originally given as a yellow and then upgraded to a red with the subsequent ban being upheld on appeal:



Not a huge amount of difference in the two imo.

 

[G-Star Medium Rare]

It was a Red potentially season ending assault on KdB.

 

[SidJames]

Here's why a lot of people are not happy that Trippier's red was overturned. The following shos a comparison with a tackle by Allan that was originally given as a yellow and then upgraded to a red with the subsequent ban being upheld on appeal:



Not a huge amount of difference in the two imo.

No difference at all.

VAR made a rod for their own back now.

"Clear and obvious error" undermining the Referee in game will be expected by all teams.Micro analyzing Red Cards will be expected.

Next week they will change the rules.

I think one or two misunderstood what i was saying yesterday.

Was it a straight Red maybe not.

That is what the appeals process is for.

The Ref gave a straight Red Card in game was it "a clear and obvious error".No it wasn't a "clear and obvious error".It was Studs up at Knee Height.Many referees would have given a straight Red in game.

Yet VAR in their wisdom decided to review it in game like a Penalty Call.

The Ref sent over to the Monitor,we know what he is surreptitiously told to do.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Genuinely cannot believe there is a single one of you thinks that wasn’t a red.

Some mind bending shit on this thread in relation to that.