NHS Strike

[urmston]

Fucking well said mate-Urmston is a clown he really is. In fact when it comes to this he is fucking clueless.

I like the "that we all have to pay for" part...

Urmston let me make it clear to you "WE ALL PAY FUCKING TAX"....Now stop wumming you tool.

Yes we all pay tax. And we all discuss how we want to spend that tax cash.

I don't want to spend it on pay rises for NHS staff because there is simply no need to do so.

Tax money should be spent carefully, not used to over-reward public sector staff.

Enlighten me then..What,Who do you think this money should be spent on if not to reward the hard working NHS staff who do a fantastic job. I don't think it is to much to ask for a pay rise which covers the cost of living.Do you?

I don't mind you asking for a pay rise but there's no reason to give it to you.

I doubt you are in the habit of paying more than you need for things so why do you expect the public to pay more than they need for your labour?

 

[BlueBearBoots]

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interesting infographic

 

[blueinsa]

Yes we all pay tax. And we all discuss how we want to spend that tax cash.

I don't want to spend it on pay rises for NHS staff because there is simply no need to do so.

Tax money should be spent carefully, not used to over-reward public sector staff.

Enlighten me then..What,Who do you think this money should be spent on if not to reward the hard working NHS staff who do a fantastic job. I don't think it is to much to ask for a pay rise which covers the cost of living.Do you?

I don't mind you asking for a pay rise but there's no reason to give it to you.

I doubt you are in the habit of paying more than you need for things so why do you expect the public to pay more than they need for your labour?

You should be a politician given your incredible ability to ignore any questions that just don't suit you.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Yes we all pay tax. And we all discuss how we want to spend that tax cash.

I don't want to spend it on pay rises for NHS staff because there is simply no need to do so.

There is every need when excellent,experienced staff are leaving.

What part of that is confusing you?

Enlighten me then..What,Who do you think this money should be spent on if not to reward the hard working NHS staff who do a fantastic job. I don't think it is to much to ask for a pay rise which covers the cost of living.Do you?

I don't mind you asking for a pay rise but there's no reason to give it to you.

I doubt you are in the habit of paying more than you need for things so why do you expect the public to pay more than they need for your labour?

 

[law74]

Enlighten me then..What,Who do you think this money should be spent on if not to reward the hard working NHS staff who do a fantastic job. I don't think it is to much to ask for a pay rise which covers the cost of living.Do you?

I don't mind you asking for a pay rise but there's no reason to give it to you.

I doubt you are in the habit of paying more than you need for things so why do you expect the public to pay more than they need for your labour?

You should be a politician given your incredible ability to ignore any questions that just don't suit you.

He probably expects Fortnum and Masons quality at aldi prices

 

[PragueBlue]

Let's get one thing perfectly clear from the start, there is NO SHORTAGE OF MONEY in this country, we just need a government that will distribute it more fairly, and not just look after those that fund their party

I agree that is needs to be distributed more fairly. I disagree that distributing it more fairly means giving rises to the NHS staff who are on incremental rises every year already. Maybe we should look at distributing some of it to those in the private sector who have had no pay increases (and even in some cases decreases) for years.

 

[Rascal]

Let's get one thing perfectly clear from the start, there is NO SHORTAGE OF MONEY in this country, we just need a government that will distribute it more fairly, and not just look after those that fund their party

I agree that is needs to be distributed more fairly. I disagree that distributing it more fairly means giving rises to the NHS staff who are on incremental rises every year already. Maybe we should look at distributing some of it to those in the private sector who have had no pay increases (and even in some cases decreases) for years.

What this Govt. has done so succesfully with the help of its friends in the predominatly right wing media is drive a wedge between workers. A worker is a worker. I dont care what they do, they graft. The mindless argument between private anyour wages are lessd public sector workers has only aided the Govt. in its ability to make cuts and divide workers in the face of those cuts. Much of what is reported in the right wing press is just fucking nonsense but it adds to feelings of injustice.

The Tories stated they wanted to shrink the public sector as they had too because of the need to bring down the deficit. They have slashed and burned public services with another announcement this week that Manchester will have to lose another 500 police.


The Tories have used the Bank crash of 2008 to create there idealistic Neo Liberal state that has limited government, small tax, minimal inteference and an economy based on the wishes of what big business want, because big business fund the Tory party.


Public service has always in my lifetime been seen as an honourable thing, you may be paid less but your pension may be better and it was an honourable thing to do. You did your bit for your country not some namless big business conglomerate who could not give two fucks about this country but was only after profit.


And the Tories have done a great job......workers arguing workers whilst the rich laugh all the way to there Cayman Islands account

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Let's get one thing perfectly clear from the start, there is NO SHORTAGE OF MONEY in this country, we just need a government that will distribute it more fairly, and not just look after those that fund their party

I agree that is needs to be distributed more fairly. I disagree that distributing it more fairly means giving rises to the NHS staff who are on incremental rises every year already. Maybe we should look at distributing some of it to those in the private sector who have had no pay increases (and even in some cases decreases) for years.

At least 40 percent of NHS staff don't get the increment rises.

Those that do have to show periodically that they have increased their competence and value to the NHS. What matters is the rate for the job and nurses could earn more by signing up to private agencies, I'm afraid.

Don't fall for the Private Sector Good / Public Sector bad mantra (as Rascal explained).

If you can't manage the above then come along to the Harrogate Bluesbfor for further discussion.

If you are the guy from Knaresborough who sits behind me in 206. Don't worry because I am having a change of scenery and spending tomorrow afternoon in the South Stand.

 

[Petetheblu]

I have read that the other day and as you said it could have been taken from any one of my colleagues at station.

The thing is I don't want to sit around on station all day sipping tea, sleeping or working out, however its straight out every shift then its normally 8 hours before I'm allowed to use the toilet, eat, drink or catch up on important emails (ebola, coroners court, change of medicine procedures etc whilst I cram food into my stomach) Does anyone else do this on their 30 minutes break? Then bang on 30 mins it another job, of course it straight out as you can't delay an emergency so if you've not eaten or used the conveniences it tough titty. I'd just like to be treated like an human being and not a bum on a seat by my NHS bosses. I've risked my life saving others, I don't want praise, medals or certificates, I just want to pay my bloody bills.
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Yerr, I deserve my 1% Mr Hunt, in fact I deserve your 10%!

Great post mate.With you all the way.Ive just got in from my job..Stressed out to fuck.Urmston should come sit in my world..your world and all public sector staffs world for a day or two..Hed soon realose the realities of it...
Fuck the tories..c**ts

If you don't like your job you should quit and move on to something better.

There'll be someone else to take your place soon enough.

NHS staff are replaceable like all other workers.

But you won't quit. You'll look at the jobs, wages, pensions and other benefits available to a person of your skills and realise that the NHS is easily your best bet.

So stop whining.

Am I right or am I right?

Why should I quit it, I've worked hard to get where I am? And if I quit where would I go, mates have gone to the private sector only to find that the equipment is very poor. That's okay if your job is making cardboard boxes, but stressful if your defib isn't workingon a cardiac arrest. Would you pat a paramedic on the back if his/her defib didn't shock your family?

I know that you're just asking questions, thats fine, but do you know anything about being a front line servant to the masses on medical grounds?

 

[Petetheblu]

"Ministers in England have awarded NHS staff a 1% increase, but only for those without automatic progression-in-the-job rises"

which amount to 3% on average. Approx 40% of NHS staff did get the 1 % rise the ones that didnt had already had on average 3% which is a heck of a lot more than most in the private sector


have to agree with urmston's comments on this one yes the NHS is vitally important but there isnt a good economic reason for giving this 1% rise across the board

How about trained staff leaving. Are you not the least bit worried that you family may be treated by hired staff with poor training?

Also its not just about a 1% rise, it's about all the other cuts that happen, from training to cutting meal breaks.

I'll challenge anyone on here who says I'm not worth 1% after 3 year of nothing but cuts.

 

[Petetheblu]

Let's get one thing perfectly clear from the start, there is NO SHORTAGE OF MONEY in this country, we just need a government that will distribute it more fairly, and not just look after those that fund their party

I agree that is needs to be distributed more fairly. I disagree that distributing it more fairly means giving rises to the NHS staff who are on incremental rises every year already. Maybe we should look at distributing some of it to those in the private sector who have had no pay increases (and even in some cases decreases) for years.

Fucking when, where!!! Should I scrap my car and put an order in for a new one......

Mate please get fooking real....soon.

 

[Petetheblu]

If they give them a 1% payrise, they'll be asking for 5% this time next year. You go into the job knowing what you are going to earn and when you'll get a payrise. To say these people striking don't get payrises each November is bollocks.

Personally I'd love 7 weeks a year off work paid. And full sick pay if I'm ever off. Instead they're moaning like fuck because they think they deserve more. If you think you are underpaid and overworked go and find another job! Striking solves fuck all. Especially when its at the expense of patients who have to have clinics and appointments rearranged while you're all stood outside with your placards. Sure I'll just pay more tax, fuck off.

As for standing at the entrances shouting and yelling at a hospital of all places. These spineless c**ts then have the fucking audacity to boo and jeer at the members of staff who decided not to strike and be absolute c**ts inside of work about it.

Really? Only its been 23 year since the ambulance service asked for more money....

Although I guess if this ebola gets a to blighty you'll be one of those that expect people like me to get infected whilst saving people like you without question? And then call me a **** for not getting to you quicker.

I doubt you'd have the balls to cal me a **** in my face......its a shame I can't prescribe testicles you small minded twat!!!!!!!

 

[Petetheblu]

Let's get one thing perfectly clear from the start, there is NO SHORTAGE OF MONEY in this country, we just need a government that will distribute it more fairly, and not just look after those that fund their party

I agree that is needs to be distributed more fairly. I disagree that distributing it more fairly means giving rises to the NHS staff who are on incremental rises every year already. Maybe we should look at distributing some of it to those in the private sector who have had no pay increases (and even in some cases decreases) for years.

What this Govt. has done so succesfully with the help of its friends in the predominatly right wing media is drive a wedge between workers. A worker is a worker. I dont care what they do, they graft. The mindless argument between private anyour wages are lessd public sector workers has only aided the Govt. in its ability to make cuts and divide workers in the face of those cuts. Much of what is reported in the right wing press is just fucking nonsense but it adds to feelings of injustice.

The Tories stated they wanted to shrink the public sector as they had too because of the need to bring down the deficit. They have slashed and burned public services with another announcement this week that Manchester will have to lose another 500 police.


The Tories have used the Bank crash of 2008 to create there idealistic Neo Liberal state that has limited government, small tax, minimal inteference and an economy based on the wishes of what big business want, because big business fund the Tory party.


Public service has always in my lifetime been seen as an honourable thing, you may be paid less but your pension may be better and it was an honourable thing to do. You did your bit for your country not some namless big business conglomerate who could not give two fucks about this country but was only after profit.


And the Tories have done a great job......workers arguing workers whilst the rich laugh all the way to there Cayman Islands account

Spot on mate.

 

[BlueBearBoots]

This from the office for national statistics -

 

[Petetheblu]

I work for the NHS, I see my monthly payslip every month and have for over 25 years and I can tell you this "I have not had a pay rise in the last 3 years" and furthermore neither have any frontline paramedic, EMT or intermediate". I think what you see hear from this STAT is maybe a mangers salary in one of the other public sectors. It has certainly not come from my earnings.

 

[PragueBlue]

Let's get one thing perfectly clear from the start, there is NO SHORTAGE OF MONEY in this country, we just need a government that will distribute it more fairly, and not just look after those that fund their party

I agree that is needs to be distributed more fairly. I disagree that distributing it more fairly means giving rises to the NHS staff who are on incremental rises every year already. Maybe we should look at distributing some of it to those in the private sector who have had no pay increases (and even in some cases decreases) for years.

At least 40 percent of NHS staff don't get the increment rises.

Those that do have to show periodically that they have increased their competence and value to the NHS. What matters is the rate for the job and nurses could earn more by signing up to private agencies, I'm afraid.

Don't fall for the Private Sector Good / Public Sector bad mantra (as Rascal explained).

If you can't manage the above then come along to the Harrogate Bluesbfor for further discussion.

If you are the guy from Knaresborough who sits behind me in 206. Don't worry because I am having a change of scenery and spending tomorrow afternoon in the South Stand.

It was a little tongue in cheek to be honest but I have no concept of private sector good and public sector bad. I have worked for both. I know which sector I'd rather be working in during times of economic downturn and where I'd prefer to be during the good times.

And no, I sit in level 3 normally but will be in the south stand today too.

 

[urmston]

I work for the NHS, I see my monthly payslip every month and have for over 25 years and I can tell you this "I have not had a pay rise in the last 3 years" and furthermore neither have any frontline paramedic, EMT or intermediate". I think what you see hear from this STAT is maybe a mangers salary in one of the other public sectors. It has certainly not come from my earnings.

A 3 year pay freeze is nothing special in today's economy.

It's far better than the pay cuts, pay freezes, cuts in hours and job losses that many taxpaying workers have suffered over the last decade or so.

If you work for the public you should expect to share the public's hardships when they occur, not to be insulated and protected from them so your standard of living is maintained to a greater extent than that of the people who pay your wages.

Millions of workers would happily trade their recent economic experiences with those of NHS staff, who, to put it bluntly, have had it quite easy.

 

[law74]

I work for the NHS, I see my monthly payslip every month and have for over 25 years and I can tell you this "I have not had a pay rise in the last 3 years" and furthermore neither have any frontline paramedic, EMT or intermediate". I think what you see hear from this STAT is maybe a mangers salary in one of the other public sectors. It has certainly not come from my earnings.

A 3 year pay freeze is nothing special in today's economy.

It's far better than the pay cuts, pay freezes, cuts in hours and job losses that many taxpaying workers have suffered over the last decade or so.

If you work for the public you should expect to share the public's hardships when they occur, not to be insulated and protected from them so your standard of living is maintained to a greater extent than that of the people who pay your wages.

Millions of workers would happily trade their recent economic experiences with those of NHS staff, who, to put it bluntly, have had it quite easy.

another that still believes there is a shortage of money, thrre is not, it is just thst the already hugely wealthy sre getting even more greedy

 

[Petetheblu]

I work for the NHS, I see my monthly payslip every month and have for over 25 years and I can tell you this "I have not had a pay rise in the last 3 years" and furthermore neither have any frontline paramedic, EMT or intermediate". I think what you see hear from this STAT is maybe a mangers salary in one of the other public sectors. It has certainly not come from my earnings.

A 3 year pay freeze is nothing special in today's economy.

It's far better than the pay cuts, pay freezes, cuts in hours and job losses that many taxpaying workers have suffered over the last decade or so.

If you work for the public you should expect to share the public's hardships when they occur, not to be insulated and protected from them so your standard of living is maintained to a greater extent than that of the people who pay your wages.

Millions of workers would happily trade their recent economic experiences with those of NHS staff, who, to put it bluntly, have had it quite easy.

Message to Urmston......I PAY TAX TO.......hello!! If I could have a pound for every halfwit that has said that.

This is where I leave this debate with YOU mate as clearly you're nothing more than a wum, you've steered clear of all the facts to constantly tell us how the private sector has had cuts, why on earth wouldn't any breathing UK citizen not know that. We've had those cuts to, massive cuts with many many job losses, longer working hours and so on.


All I see from you is someone with an axe to grind, however your blunt swing is all to obvious and now tedious.

 

[Blue Maverick]

This from the office for national statistics -

Statistics can be twisted to say anything believe me I've seen how they do it at work.