NHS Strike

[Mustard Dave]

I work for the NHS, I see my monthly payslip every month and have for over 25 years and I can tell you this "I have not had a pay rise in the last 3 years" and furthermore neither have any frontline paramedic, EMT or intermediate". I think what you see hear from this STAT is maybe a mangers salary in one of the other public sectors. It has certainly not come from my earnings.

A 3 year pay freeze is nothing special in today's economy.

It's far better than the pay cuts, pay freezes, cuts in hours and job losses that many taxpaying workers have suffered over the last decade or so.

If you work for the public you should expect to share the public's hardships when they occur, not to be insulated and protected from them so your standard of living is maintained to a greater extent than that of the people who pay your wages.

Millions of workers would happily trade their recent economic experiences with those of NHS staff, who, to put it bluntly, have had it quite easy.

Message to Urmston......I PAY TAX TO.......hello!! If I could have a pound for every halfwit that has said that.

This is where I leave this debate with YOU mate as clearly you're nothing more than a wum, you've steered clear of all the facts to constantly tell us how the private sector has had cuts, why on earth wouldn't any breathing UK citizen not know that. We've had those cuts to, massive cuts with many many job losses, longer working hours and so on.


All I see from you is someone with an axe to grind, however your blunt swing is all to obvious and now tedious.

You do pay tax, the only difference is the tax public sector workers pay is taken from income from private sector workers paid from the revenue of profitable businesses. It is a bad choice of words from Urmston though, as every working person contributes something to society as a whole and our collective wealth.

The general point does stand though. I used to work in the public sector (electrician at a university) until 2007. I then joined a consultancy where a lot of our work was pre-acquisition surveys of commercial buildings. At first things were great as we had loads of work, but when Northern Rock went tits-up, things took a downward turn. As hardly anybody was buying commercial property we really struggled. People were laid off left right and centre and nobody got any pay rises.

I worked in a regional office with five others. Eventually it was down to just me. When they laid the last two of my colleagues off before me, the MD came to the office and told me how bad it was. They tried desperately hard not to cut wages and the directors had not drawn a salary for six months. People working for our clients were getting laid off, and 25% pay cuts were not uncommon.

Eventually I was made redundant but fortunately I got a job with one of my clients. Since I have worked there, there has been an announcement every year to say there will be no pay rises. Things are looking up and are much better than they were, but we are still in difficult times. The private sector has been much harder hit, and that is why public sector workers get little sympathy when they punish the nation by going on strike.

 

[remember arthur mann]

A 3 year pay freeze is nothing special in today's economy.

It's far better than the pay cuts, pay freezes, cuts in hours and job losses that many taxpaying workers have suffered over the last decade or so.

If you work for the public you should expect to share the public's hardships when they occur, not to be insulated and protected from them so your standard of living is maintained to a greater extent than that of the people who pay your wages.

Millions of workers would happily trade their recent economic experiences with those of NHS staff, who, to put it bluntly, have had it quite easy.

Message to Urmston......I PAY TAX TO.......hello!! If I could have a pound for every halfwit that has said that.

This is where I leave this debate with YOU mate as clearly you're nothing more than a wum, you've steered clear of all the facts to constantly tell us how the private sector has had cuts, why on earth wouldn't any breathing UK citizen not know that. We've had those cuts to, massive cuts with many many job losses, longer working hours and so on.


All I see from you is someone with an axe to grind, however your blunt swing is all to obvious and now tedious.

You do pay tax, the only difference is the tax public sector workers pay is taken from income from private sector workers paid from the revenue of profitable businesses. It is a bad choice of words from Urmston though, as every working person contributes something to society as a whole and our collective wealth.

The general point does stand though. I used to work in the public sector (electrician at a university) until 2007. I then joined a consultancy where a lot of our work was pre-acquisition surveys of commercial buildings. At first things were great as we had loads of work, but when Northern Rock went tits-up, things took a downward turn. As hardly anybody was buying commercial property we really struggled. People were laid off left right and centre and nobody got any pay rises.

I worked in a regional office with five others. Eventually it was down to just me. When they laid the last two of my colleagues off before me, the MD came to the office and told me how bad it was. They tried desperately hard not to cut wages and the directors had not drawn a salary for six months. People working for our clients were getting laid off, and 25% pay cuts were not uncommon.

Eventually I was made redundant but fortunately I got a job with one of my clients. Since I have worked there, there has been an announcement every year to say there will be no pay rises. Things are looking up and are much better than they were, but we are still in difficult times. The private sector has been much harder hit, and that is why public sector workers get little sympathy when they punish the nation by going on strike.

You're breaking my heart !

 

[Tim of the Oak]

A 3 year pay freeze is nothing special in today's economy.

It's far better than the pay cuts, pay freezes, cuts in hours and job losses that many taxpaying workers have suffered over the last decade or so.

If you work for the public you should expect to share the public's hardships when they occur, not to be insulated and protected from them so your standard of living is maintained to a greater extent than that of the people who pay your wages.

Millions of workers would happily trade their recent economic experiences with those of NHS staff, who, to put it bluntly, have had it quite easy.

Message to Urmston......I PAY TAX TO.......hello!! If I could have a pound for every halfwit that has said that.

This is where I leave this debate with YOU mate as clearly you're nothing more than a wum, you've steered clear of all the facts to constantly tell us how the private sector has had cuts, why on earth wouldn't any breathing UK citizen not know that. We've had those cuts to, massive cuts with many many job losses, longer working hours and

All I see from you is someone with an axe to grind, however your blunt swing is all to obvious and now tedious.

You do pay tax, the only difference is the tax public sector workers pay is taken from income from private sector workers paid from the revenue of profitable businesses. It is a bad choice of words from Urmston though, as every working person contributes something to society as a whole and our collective wealth.

The general point does stand though. I used to work in the public sector (electrician at a university) until 2007. I then joined a consultancy where a lot of our work was pre-acquisition surveys of commercial buildings. At first things were great as we had loads of work, but when Northern Rock went tits-up, things took a downward turn. As hardly anybody was buying commercial property we really struggled. People were laid off left right and centre and nobody got any pay rises.

I worked in a regional office with five others. Eventually it was down to just me. When they laid the last two of my colleagues off before me, the MD came to the office and told me how bad it was. They tried desperately hard not to cut wages and the directors had not drawn a salary for six months. People working for our clients were getting laid off, and 25% pay cuts were not uncommon.

Eventually I was made redundant but fortunately I got a job with one of my clients. Since I have worked there, there has been an announcement every year to say there will be no pay rises. Things are looking up and are much better than they were, but we are still in difficult times. The private sector has been much harder hit, and that is why public sector workers get little sympathy when they punish the nation by going on strike.

I find this public / private split pretty artificial. When my organisation was public sector we went from 260 to 100 people. Now we are independent half of our North East team are losing their jobs.

I am surprised people Continue to fall for the media trying to divide workers!

 

[malg]

From the latest Private Eye:

Number Crunching

21%. Average pay rise of FTSE 100 executives in UK last year.
0.7%. Average pay rise for workers in UK in same period.
10%. Pay rise MPs will receive next year.
1%. Maximum pay rise other public sector workers will receive next year.

 

[blueinsa]

From the latest Private Eye:

Number Crunching

21%. Average pay rise of FTSE 100 executives in UK last year.
0.7%. Average pay rise for workers in UK in same period.
10%. Pay rise MPs will receive next year.
1%. Maximum pay rise other public sector workers will receive next year.

The only numbers that need to be remembered right now.

Skint my fucking arse and all in this together my fucking arse!

 

[urmston]

I work for the NHS, I see my monthly payslip every month and have for over 25 years and I can tell you this "I have not had a pay rise in the last 3 years" and furthermore neither have any frontline paramedic, EMT or intermediate". I think what you see hear from this STAT is maybe a mangers salary in one of the other public sectors. It has certainly not come from my earnings.

A 3 year pay freeze is nothing special in today's economy.

It's far better than the pay cuts, pay freezes, cuts in hours and job losses that many taxpaying workers have suffered over the last decade or so.

If you work for the public you should expect to share the public's hardships when they occur, not to be insulated and protected from them so your standard of living is maintained to a greater extent than that of the people who pay your wages.

Millions of workers would happily trade their recent economic experiences with those of NHS staff, who, to put it bluntly, have had it quite easy.

Message to Urmston......I PAY TAX TO.......hello!! If I could have a pound for every halfwit that has said that.

This is where I leave this debate with YOU mate as clearly you're nothing more than a wum, you've steered clear of all the facts to constantly tell us how the private sector has had cuts, why on earth wouldn't any breathing UK citizen not know that. We've had those cuts to, massive cuts with many many job losses, longer working hours and so on.


All I see from you is someone with an axe to grind, however your blunt swing is all to obvious and now tedious.

At least I'm not so tedious as to accuse anyone who disagrees with me of being a WUM.

But then I wouldn't, because I can cope with the existence of opinions different to my own and I'm not wound up when people express them.

 

[remember arthur mann]

From the latest Private Eye:

Number Crunching

21%. Average pay rise of FTSE 100 executives in UK last year.
0.7%. Average pay rise for workers in UK in same period.
10%. Pay rise MPs will receive next year.
1%. Maximum pay rise other public sector workers will receive next year.

The only numbers that need to be remembered right now.

Skint my fucking arse and all in this together my fucking arse!

Succinctly put!

 

[hilts]

I know nothing on this subject but my mate is a paramedic and it sounds a piece of piss, will question him further next time i see him

 

[FantasyIreland]

I know nothing on this subject but my mate is a paramedic and it sounds a piece of piss, will question him further next time i see him

What exactly makes you think that?

 

[hilts]

I know nothing on this subject but my mate is a paramedic and it sounds a piece of piss, will question him further next time i see him

What exactly makes you think that?

We chat about work naturally and he earns a good wage about 50K last year with overtime, he works long shifts but has plenty of days off, holiday entitlement seems good, sick pay etc... he has busy periods but also times when he is very quiet, could be a different story in London from what was said earlier in this thread, went for it myself but got unlucky, he has never complained about his job, seems very content

 

[FantasyIreland]

I know nothing on this subject but my mate is a paramedic and it sounds a piece of piss, will question him further next time i see him

What exactly makes you think that?

We chat about work naturally and he earns a good wage about 50K last year with overtime, he works long shifts but has plenty of days off, holiday entitlement seems good, sick pay etc... he has busy periods but also times when he is very quiet, could be a different story in London from what was said earlier in this thread, went for it myself but got unlucky, he has never complained about his job, seems very content

That's not the job I recognise,50k? 30-35k would be more realistic.

In a major city - 13/14hr shifts around the clock,enforced OT......dealing none stop with every type of twat imaginable.
Taking 'situations' home with you.......sleepless nights......relationship break downs......depression......no backing from management......questioning and watching your every move.......

Yep the sick pay is decent and the holidays are of an average entitlement,however,both fucking need to be.....!

 

[hilts]

What exactly makes you think that?

We chat about work naturally and he earns a good wage about 50K last year with overtime, he works long shifts but has plenty of days off, holiday entitlement seems good, sick pay etc... he has busy periods but also times when he is very quiet, could be a different story in London from what was said earlier in this thread, went for it myself but got unlucky, he has never complained about his job, seems very content

That's not the job I recognise,50k? 30-35k would be more realistic.

In a major city - 13/14hr shifts around the clock,enforced OT......dealing none stop with every type of twat imaginable.
Taking 'situations' home with you.......sleepless nights......relationship break downs......depression......no backing from management......questioning and watching your every move.......

Yep the sick pay is decent and the holidays are of an average entitlement,however,both fucking need to be.....!

Only repeating what he said, he works in the sticks so maybe it is a bit different, he does batter the overtime in fairness, will have a chat next time i see him, he is a pretty honest guy i worked with him for years, seems happy in his job

 

[kaz7]

What exactly makes you think that?

We chat about work naturally and he earns a good wage about 50K last year with overtime, he works long shifts but has plenty of days off, holiday entitlement seems good, sick pay etc... he has busy periods but also times when he is very quiet, could be a different story in London from what was said earlier in this thread, went for it myself but got unlucky, he has never complained about his job, seems very content

That's not the job I recognise,50k? 30-35k would be more realistic.

In a major city - 13/14hr shifts around the clock,enforced OT......dealing none stop with every type of twat imaginable.
Taking 'situations' home with you.......sleepless nights......relationship break downs......depression......no backing from management......questioning and watching your every move.......

Yep the sick pay is decent and the holidays are of an average entitlement,however,both fucking need to be.....!

No-one understands those of us that worked in the NHS,it is unlike any other job and like you say you take the tragic cases home with you,i still remember patients that got to me years later

 

[remember arthur mann]

We chat about work naturally and he earns a good wage about 50K last year with overtime, he works long shifts but has plenty of days off, holiday entitlement seems good, sick pay etc... he has busy periods but also times when he is very quiet, could be a different story in London from what was said earlier in this thread, went for it myself but got unlucky, he has never complained about his job, seems very content

That's not the job I recognise,50k? 30-35k would be more realistic.

In a major city - 13/14hr shifts around the clock,enforced OT......dealing none stop with every type of twat imaginable.
Taking 'situations' home with you.......sleepless nights......relationship break downs......depression......no backing from management......questioning and watching your every move.......

Yep the sick pay is decent and the holidays are of an average entitlement,however,both fucking need to be.....!

No-one understands those of us that worked in the NHS,it is unlike any other job and like you say you take the tragic cases home with you,i still remember patients that got to me years later

Obviously you have a heart, some posters on here sadly have not !

 

[FantasyIreland]

I've escaped now Karen,i don't mind admitting,it nearly finished me at times......the glass was full so to speak.

I'm now working for a private company in a different line of work - 35hr wk,on similar money,with similar benefits and I've walked straight into a 2.7% pay rise with a guaranteed 2.5% in April......oh,and my colleagues don't want to stab me in the back......

The NHS is a great thing,would I ever work for them again? fuck that!

 

[kaz7]

That's not the job I recognise,50k? 30-35k would be more realistic.

In a major city - 13/14hr shifts around the clock,enforced OT......dealing none stop with every type of twat imaginable.
Taking 'situations' home with you.......sleepless nights......relationship break downs......depression......no backing from management......questioning and watching your every move.......

Yep the sick pay is decent and the holidays are of an average entitlement,however,both fucking need to be.....!

No-one understands those of us that worked in the NHS,it is unlike any other job and like you say you take the tragic cases home with you,i still remember patients that got to me years later

Obviously you have a heart, some posters on here sadly have not !

It saddens me reading this thread,such disregard for people who care for you at your most vulnerable moments

 

[kaz7]

I've escaped now Karen,i don't mind admitting,it nearly finished me at times......the glass was full so to speak.

I'm now working for a private company in a different line of work - 35hr wk,on similar money,with similar benefits and I've walked straight into a 2.7% pay rise with a guaranteed 2.5% in April......oh,and my colleagues don't want to stab me in the back......

The NHS is a great thing,would I ever work for them again? fuck that!

Good for you,i would never tell anyone to work for the NHS now
When i was a student nurse i loved it,once i qualified and was in charge it weighed very heavily,i used to lie awake at night and be knackered and have to make decisions on patient care and training the students and making sure the junior docs didn't kill anyone on my watch lol

 

[hilts]

The truth will lie somewhere between greedy self entitled public sector workers and Florence Nightingale, emotive subjects are hard to judge

 

[FantasyIreland]

I've escaped now Karen,i don't mind admitting,it nearly finished me at times......the glass was full so to speak.

I'm now working for a private company in a different line of work - 35hr wk,on similar money,with similar benefits and I've walked straight into a 2.7% pay rise with a guaranteed 2.5% in April......oh,and my colleagues don't want to stab me in the back......

The NHS is a great thing,would I ever work for them again? fuck that!

Good for you,i would never tell anyone to work for the NHS now
When i was a student nurse i loved it,once i qualified and was in charge it weighed very heavily,i used to lie awake at night and be knackered and have to make decisions on patient care and training the students and making sure the junior docs didn't kill anyone on my watch lol

'I bet you must see some things'

If I had a penny....... and they don't know the half of it.

The responsibility and pressure is immense and relentless.And people think these people don't deserve one fucking percent extra...... the mind boggles.

 

[remember arthur mann]

I've escaped now Karen,i don't mind admitting,it nearly finished me at times......the glass was full so to speak.

I'm now working for a private company in a different line of work - 35hr wk,on similar money,with similar benefits and I've walked straight into a 2.7% pay rise with a guaranteed 2.5% in April......oh,and my colleagues don't want to stab me in the back......

The NHS is a great thing,would I ever work for them again? fuck that!

Governments job done !