NHS Strike

[law74]

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An increase in wages when staff are so easy to come by would be government irresponsibility with our money.

So giving a tax cut to the richest was a responsible thing to do with our money?

You know all in this together stuff.


Since the bank crash of 2008 Bankers wages have risen 35% on average and Osborne flew to Brussells to protect their bonuses.


You know all in this together stuff..


I just think you are a WUM who if ever has the misfortune to have to go into hospital will have this thread emailed to the Wrad Matron :)

Don't mention the 21% average increase in wages for CEO's from the FTSE 100 companies in the last year
If Dave & Osbourne are so confident that they have saved the economy then back their talk with real cost of living+ payrises for ALL public servants, not just those that work in the palace of Westminster

 

[Bill]

Midwives weren't allowed to strike properly as they were that low on staff to begin with and had too many emergencies, Caring for mother and baby at the forefront of their minds.

Hardly a piss taking situation in my opinion.

dont like strikers, any proffession. you have a job so stfu and get back to work. be grateful. i realise this was a token gesture so i'll let them off.

Says the man who would rather live anywhere but england if he was younger lol.

??
relevence?

half the english population would go if they could.

not the cadgers obviously, life of riley for the uneducated workshy.

 

[nelsons willie]

dont like strikers, any proffession. you have a job so stfu and get back to work. be grateful. i realise this was a token gesture so i'll let them off.

Says the man who would rather live anywhere but england if he was younger lol.

??
relevence?

half the english population would go if they could.

not the cadgers obviously, life of riley for the uneducated workshy.

Relevence? Why stay here if you dont like it? You have the right to withdraw your labour and fuck off some where else.. O wait you dont like people having a free will. I wonder how much youve had in handouts. Never carpeted a dole wallers house?

 

[BlueBearBoots]

Some good points made but I've always thought that the pay of any profession is down to supply and demand. Are there less young people applying to train as nurses these days? Will there come a point that the NHS is thought of so badly that there will be no new applicants and the government will have to make it much more attractive to become a nurse or paramedic etc etc ?

Tried to google but can't really find a sensible answer on numbers of applicants over the past 10 years lets say

Try here.

<a class="postlink" href="http://blog.concentra.co.uk/2013/03/20/most-competitive-university-courses-which-courses-are-the-hardest-to-get-onto/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://blog.concentra.co.uk/2013/03/20/ ... -get-onto/</a>


'Incredibly, the number of applications for Nursing more than doubled between 2008 and 2012.'


'Nursing 2012, Applications 212,572, Acceptance 23,836, 11.2%.'

There is a hardly a shortage of people wanting to become nurses.

In tough times loads of people always try to get into secure, state jobs like teaching and nursing because other jobs just aren't there.

An increase in wages when staff are so easy to come by would be government irresponsibility with our money.

So in cold hard reality it's economics. That's what I was trying to find. We may not like it, it may not be fair but as my boss is fond of saying if you don't like your job/pay/conditions then you know where the door is, there are plenty of people just waiting to replace you.

 

[mayo31]

No need for carpet in sunny places, it all tiles

 

[mcmanus]

Wasn't it for 20 mins or something. Wow, damaging. Lol.

Do you not believe in workers going on strike?

 

[urmston]

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An increase in wages when staff are so easy to come by would be government irresponsibility with our money.

So giving a tax cut to the richest was a responsible thing to do with our money?

You know all in this together stuff.


Since the bank crash of 2008 Bankers wages have risen 35% on average and Osborne flew to Brussells to protect their bonuses.


You know all in this together stuff..


I just think you are a WUM who if ever has the misfortune to have to go into hospital will have this thread emailed to the Wrad Matron :)

He is wumming for sure...all this gold plated pension bollocks is simply not true..you gotta pay for it over a long time..is it a good pension..yeah i suppose..gold plated it is not

For the amount paid in by the employee a public sector pension still gives a gigantically good return even with the increased contributions and retirement ages that are being introduced for them.

Private firm pensions which offer the same benefits have nearly all been shut down and are now as rare as hen's teeth. Many people in private work are now on short hours or zero hour contracts specifically designed to exclude them from employer pension rights at all.

The public sector pension deficit is stupendously huge.

For example, when the government sold the Royal Mail for £3 billion or so, it could only get rid of it by keeping its £28 billion pension deficit on the public books.

This just shows you how expensive public employees are to the taxpayer, and why there is certainly no need to be more generous to them at a time when most private sector people are suffering at least as much and haven't got a hope in hell of a big fat, taxpayer guaranteed pension when they give up work.

If you employed by the public it is greedy and inconsiderate to expect pay rises when most of the people who employ you are not getting them and have suffered pay freezes, pay cuts and job losses which make your 5 year pay freeze look wonderful in comparison.

 

[Bill]

Says the man who would rather live anywhere but england if he was younger lol.

??
relevence?

half the english population would go if they could.

not the cadgers obviously, life of riley for the uneducated workshy.

Relevence? Why stay here if you dont like it? You have the right to withdraw your labour and fuck off some where else.. O wait you dont like people having a free will. I wonder how much youve had in handouts. Never carpeted a dole wallers house?

i'll go when i'm ready, as soon as i can stop contributing to this country i will. my money is misused by all concerned. i have never had a "handout" in my life. i work and will do so till i drop, its just in me.

 

[mackenzie]

??
relevence?

half the english population would go if they could.

not the cadgers obviously, life of riley for the uneducated workshy.

Relevence? Why stay here if you dont like it? You have the right to withdraw your labour and fuck off some where else.. O wait you dont like people having a free will. I wonder how much youve had in handouts. Never carpeted a dole wallers house?

i'll go when i'm ready, as soon as i can stop contributing to this country i will. my money is misused by all concerned. i have never had a "handout" in my life. i work and will do so till i drop, its just in me.

Bill, a genuine question; have any of your employees claimed Working Tax Credits?

 

[mayo31]

I heard they have claimed for lost fingers

 

[Bill]

Relevence? Why stay here if you dont like it? You have the right to withdraw your labour and fuck off some where else.. O wait you dont like people having a free will. I wonder how much youve had in handouts. Never carpeted a dole wallers house?

i'll go when i'm ready, as soon as i can stop contributing to this country i will. my money is misused by all concerned. i have never had a "handout" in my life. i work and will do so till i drop, its just in me.

Bill, a genuine question; have any of your employees claimed Working Tax Credits?

no sharon. they are not even human, they wouldn't know how. they all rags.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I bet the people moaning about the strike are also the first to moan that the NHS needs "sorting out". You get what you pay for and the service we get from the NHS is, by and large, excellent. It could certainly do with more investment and Rasc made a good call about it needing some 'joined up' processes but unfortunately there's got to be a limit to what we can put in, if we want to keep it free.

I've seen the NHS first hand the last few months with my mum being poorly plus I've been carted off in an ambulance myself. My daughter is also a student paramedic and the knowledge and dedication these people have is tremendous. She's had to deal with scraping up suicide victims, desperately trying to keep cardiac arrest victims alive, chasing patients with mental health problems around the streets of West London, drunks, treating people in prisons, delivering babies, etc. If we want a top class service then it doesn't help to piss the people who actually deliver that service off.

There was a dickhead on the radio on Monday saying that MP's have a right to their 10% increase as they're "more important" than nurses, midwives and paramedics. Well if he's unfortunate enough to suffer a heart attack, let him call his bloody MP.

Just pay the 1% across the board and collect the right amount of tax off companies like Vodafone to cover it, instead of doing cosy little deals with them, then getting cushy jobs with them or their advisors.

 

[mcmanus]

For those who hate the NHS and think they do a shit job you can always fuck off and go private.

Bob's yer uncle.

 

[Bill]

I bet the people moaning about the strike are also the first to moan that the NHS needs "sorting out". You get what you pay for and the service we get from the NHS is, by and large, excellent. It could certainly do with more investment and Rasc made a good call about it needing some 'joined up' processes but unfortunately there's got to be a limit to what we can put in, if we want to keep it free.

I've seen the NHS first hand the last few months with my mum being poorly plus I've been carted off in an ambulance myself. My daughter is also a student paramedic and the knowledge and dedication these people have is tremendous. She's had to deal with scraping up suicide victims, desperately trying to keep cardiac arrest victims alive, chasing patients with mental health problems around the streets of West London, drunks, treating people in prisons, delivering babies, etc. If we want a top class service then it doesn't help to piss the people who actually deliver that service off.

There was a dickhead on the radio on Monday saying that MP's have a right to their 10% increase as they're "more important" than nurses, midwives and paramedics. Well if he's unfortunate enough to suffer a heart attack, let him call his bloody MP.

Just pay the 1% across the board and collect the right amount of tax off companies like Vodafone to cover it, instead of doing cosy little deals with them, then getting cushy jobs with them or their advisors.

agree with all of this.

 

[mackenzie]

Some good points made but I've always thought that the pay of any profession is down to supply and demand. Are there less young people applying to train as nurses these days? Will there come a point that the NHS is thought of so badly that there will be no new applicants and the government will have to make it much more attractive to become a nurse or paramedic etc etc ?

Tried to google but can't really find a sensible answer on numbers of applicants over the past 10 years lets say

Try here.

<a class="postlink" href="http://blog.concentra.co.uk/2013/03/20/most-competitive-university-courses-which-courses-are-the-hardest-to-get-onto/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://blog.concentra.co.uk/2013/03/20/ ... -get-onto/</a>


'Incredibly, the number of applications for Nursing more than doubled between 2008 and 2012.'


'Nursing 2012, Applications 212,572, Acceptance 23,836, 11.2%.'

There is a hardly a shortage of people wanting to become nurses.

In tough times loads of people always try to get into secure, state jobs like teaching and nursing because other jobs just aren't there.

An increase in wages when staff are so easy to come by would be government irresponsibility with our money.

So in cold hard reality it's economics. That's what I was trying to find. We may not like it, it may not be fair but as my boss is fond of saying if you don't like your job/pay/conditions then you know where the door is, there are plenty of people just waiting to replace you.

Believe it or not, that gets said in the Public Sector too. By senior managers at office meetings.
Now, imagine if nurses, doctors, teachers, the Inland Revenue or in fact anyone on the front line did that en masse. The infrastructure in the country would collapse pretty quickly.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I bet the people moaning about the strike are also the first to moan that the NHS needs "sorting out". You get what you pay for and the service we get from the NHS is, by and large, excellent. It could certainly do with more investment and Rasc made a good call about it needing some 'joined up' processes but unfortunately there's got to be a limit to what we can put in, if we want to keep it free.

I've seen the NHS first hand the last few months with my mum being poorly plus I've been carted off in an ambulance myself. My daughter is also a student paramedic and the knowledge and dedication these people have is tremendous. She's had to deal with scraping up suicide victims, desperately trying to keep cardiac arrest victims alive, chasing patients with mental health problems around the streets of West London, drunks, treating people in prisons, delivering babies, etc. If we want a top class service then it doesn't help to piss the people who actually deliver that service off.

There was a dickhead on the radio on Monday saying that MP's have a right to their 10% increase as they're "more important" than nurses, midwives and paramedics. Well if he's unfortunate enough to suffer a heart attack, let him call his bloody MP.

Just pay the 1% across the board and collect the right amount of tax off companies like Vodafone to cover it, instead of doing cosy little deals with them, then getting cushy jobs with them or their advisors.

agree with all of this.

LOL. You are Bluemoon's answer to Nick Clegg. You'll agree with anyone!

 

[Bill]

I bet the people moaning about the strike are also the first to moan that the NHS needs "sorting out". You get what you pay for and the service we get from the NHS is, by and large, excellent. It could certainly do with more investment and Rasc made a good call about it needing some 'joined up' processes but unfortunately there's got to be a limit to what we can put in, if we want to keep it free.

I've seen the NHS first hand the last few months with my mum being poorly plus I've been carted off in an ambulance myself. My daughter is also a student paramedic and the knowledge and dedication these people have is tremendous. She's had to deal with scraping up suicide victims, desperately trying to keep cardiac arrest victims alive, chasing patients with mental health problems around the streets of West London, drunks, treating people in prisons, delivering babies, etc. If we want a top class service then it doesn't help to piss the people who actually deliver that service off.

There was a dickhead on the radio on Monday saying that MP's have a right to their 10% increase as they're "more important" than nurses, midwives and paramedics. Well if he's unfortunate enough to suffer a heart attack, let him call his bloody MP.

Just pay the 1% across the board and collect the right amount of tax off companies like Vodafone to cover it, instead of doing cosy little deals with them, then getting cushy jobs with them or their advisors.

agree with all of this.

LOL. You are Bluemoon's answer to Nick Clegg. You'll agree with anyone!

ha ha. i dont agree with strikers, never have. that said we owe our nhs so much. mp's have always been bent when it comes to money. rises, cash for questions and of course the expenses scandal. agree totally will taxing big company's. like russ says amazon earn billions and pay fuck all.

 

[Bigga]

Can you reply to my question please Urmston?

I'm not really interested why some nurses are seeking alternative employment.

Nursing courses are over subscribed many times and foreign nurses are keen to work here.

There is not a shortage of nurses, or the prospect of one, and therefore no reason to put their wages up.

Even many who want to leave the job won't, because they'll soon find out that there are not many jobs out there for people of their skills and education which will bring in as good a wage and a very generous pension.

If we all got pay rises every time we got fed up at work the country would be full of people on Sergio's wages.

Do you not 'connect the dots' at any point, in this conversation??

"Nursing courses are over subscribed many times and foreign nurses are keen to work here".

This is hugely important because the reason why this is so, is because of the 'romanticism' that the NHS still holds. It's a bit like the USA being "the greatest country on Earth" TM; after a while, you'll realise that it's not want you dreamed it of being and not everyone is going to be a millionaire actor/ business owner and the whole struggle just wears you down. But, unlike the US, nurses are leaving in their droves, which is why there is a drive, by the NHS, to recruit nurses from Europe. Yes, a recruitment drive!

So, urmston, you tell a half truth in your statement, of which I'm sure you must be aware as you know NHS staff first hand, don't you?



Don't you...???

 

[Blue Maverick]

Maybe people are getting wise, training over here getting qualified and then fucking off abroad for a better life, something like 60% of newly qualified paramedics in London leave within a year, I wonder where they end up, bet it's somewhere sunny and paid better. Good luck to the guys striking.

 

[BlueBearBoots]

Try here.

<a class="postlink" href="http://blog.concentra.co.uk/2013/03/20/most-competitive-university-courses-which-courses-are-the-hardest-to-get-onto/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://blog.concentra.co.uk/2013/03/20/ ... -get-onto/</a>


'Incredibly, the number of applications for Nursing more than doubled between 2008 and 2012.'


'Nursing 2012, Applications 212,572, Acceptance 23,836, 11.2%.'

There is a hardly a shortage of people wanting to become nurses.

In tough times loads of people always try to get into secure, state jobs like teaching and nursing because other jobs just aren't there.

An increase in wages when staff are so easy to come by would be government irresponsibility with our money.

So in cold hard reality it's economics. That's what I was trying to find. We may not like it, it may not be fair but as my boss is fond of saying if you don't like your job/pay/conditions then you know where the door is, there are plenty of people just waiting to replace you.

Believe it or not, that gets said in the Public Sector too. By senior managers at office meetings.
Now, imagine if nurses, doctors, teachers, the Inland Revenue or in fact anyone on the front line did that en masse. The infrastructure in the country would collapse pretty quickly.

It would and it would be tragic but I think there has to be masses leaving the profession and no new people coming into it before the government (any government) to take serious action. As urmston posted there are many many more applicants than posts available.