Nick Griffin on Question Time..

[bluemanc]

Of course they aren't the answer,i've done my review on question time & i believe you are right, BUT the "sad bunch of nazi wankers " stuff won't work either.
The conservative mp Baroness Sayeeda.Warsi would seem to have her finger on the pulse of the way forward..........can't believe she's a fookin conservative mp.

Sorry,I meant to tie this in with Buzzer 1's monster post but forgot to quote!
You are bang on though - even Tories looked sensible on Question Time,although she kinda sidetracked the "gay" issue.
Todays papers seem to think that there will be a slight rise in support for the BNP in the short term,but that it will die a death come election time.
Lets hope so.

We need more question times but without jack straw & Chris Huhne, they were shocking.
I thought Dimbleby was poor aswell he tried to dominate rather than get a debate going.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

One in five 'would consider voting BNP' after Nick Griffin Question Time appearance

I've got my Tin Hat on so here we go.

It's quite clear that many of those who are afforded the privilege of electing the government do not have a clear understanding of the policies and ethos of those they are voting for. Some others hold irrational bias which despite their own logic they are not able to overcome.

Look back in this thread at the number of times people have said "Barroness Warsi was the stand out panelist but I couldn't possible vote conservative" Now we have the first poll in and it shows that 20% would consider voting BNP!

I strongly believe that anyone wishing to vote should first pass an exam proving they have a proper understanding of the parties and their policies. I also think that how each MP voted in every debate in parliament should be published in the run up to elections.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

People who support the BNP still have't answered my question regarding how the following statements sit with you....

THE HOLOCAUST DID NOT HAPPEN

IT IS OK TO RAPE WOMEN AS THEY ENJOY IT

Please, I want to hear one of you BNP lovers justify the above two statements and explain how you can vote for a party that would happily see your wife/daughter/mother/sister raped.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Complete nonsense,as per usual.
That a controversial and emotive thread such as this has achieved 100 pages plus without warnings/bannings/mass deletions/being pulled completely or ending in death threats should be a source of pride to all who contributed.
Many people have expressed their contrasting opinions,and I personally have found the discussion interesting and informative.
Cheers to all those who made the effort.

BB is only interesting in 'owning' people or 'pwning' them.

After seeing the 'intelligent' Nick Griffin get gimped all over TV he's suffered a set back, all we've had from Le Ginge since then was some garbled nonsense about Jack Straw getting 'owned' (boring, I know) and now this slightly retarded statement.

He's a broken man, leave him be.

You are,of course,completely right.
Fishing in a bucket soon loses its appeal,as does having an imprint of BB2's starfish on my Evisu's from kicking his butt on a daily basis.
I shall leave him alone for a while.
Well,at least until he next posts.

 

[fallowfieldflyer]

The BNP’s policy is to: 2009 Manifesto Policy.

- Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally;

- Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British;

- Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate;

- Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently;

- Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases;

- Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain.

?????? very interesting.?????

 

[ono]

No they are called Asylum seekers. Once they are granted Asylum they are then called refugees. An asylum seeker is deemed an asylum seeker because he/she has made himself/herself known to the authorities. An illegal immigrant has intentionally avoided this. An Asylum Seeker* cannot be deemed an Illegal Immigrant as he/she is complying with the law by making himself/herself know to the authorities...thereby seeking asylum.

you just confirmed my reply. under the 1951 or 52, can't remember refuge convention (which now applies to every livin human), an illegal immigrant is illegal until they make themselves known to the authorities..hmm, how do they do this?...by CLAIMING ASYLUM!!!!

*the time from entering the country and until claiming asylum....what are they? certainly not legal.
My god! you made the thread, i thought you'd have something decent to say.

Ok well here's an extract from the Refuge Convention of 1951 ( that one which now applies to every living human).

(<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amnesty.org.hk/html/node/5079" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amnesty.org.hk/html/node/5079</a>)

"Asylum seekers should not be classified as illegal immigrants. In recognition of the right to seek asylum and the realities faced when fleeing from persecution, Article 31 of the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees 1951 prohibits States from imposing penalties on asylum seekers for illegal entry. Such asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants and should not be penalized or treated as ordinary illegal immigrants."

It is in an Asylum Seeker's own interest to present him/herself to an immigration officer at the seaport or airport. Doing so allows the Asylum process to begin. Anybody who skips this process, faces a big problem when eventually seeking asylum, as not seeking asylum on entry will have a severe negative impact on the application.

A person may apply for asylum whilst legally living in this country. An example of this would be somebody with a student/visitor or business visa who is applying before his visa runs out. Again anybody who doesn't apply until after the visa has run out, willl face a struggle in getting their asylum claim granted.

Furthermore illegal immigrants don't receive government handouts in the same way as an asylum seeker does, so i'm still baffled as to why you think they are claiming your taxes (Which was your original point i might add). Unless of course you meant asylum seekers...

EDIT: You've countered your own point. Your original point was that there is no difference between an Asylum Seeker and an Illegal Immigrant. Then you said they're Illegal Immigrants until they claim for Asylum. But if that's the same thing then surely by your analogy, they're still Illegal immigrants after they claim for Asylum. Which i presume would result in them breaking the law. Which i presume would result in them being potentially deported. So even if your claim was true (which it isn't), there wouldn't be any problem as your taxes wouldn't be supporting Illegal Immigrants as they wouldn't receive benefits from the government.

Infact the main thing your taxes would contribute to would be Border Control. Given your apparent dislike for Jonny Foreigner, i can't imagine even you having a problem with that.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

The BNP’s policy is to: 2009 Manifesto Policy.

- Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally;

- Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British;

- Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate;

- Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently;

- Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases;

- Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain.

?????? very interesting.?????

Not really, sounds like nonsense to me.

I mean, we're all of foreign descent so who is going to decide who goes back?

Also, has it really come to this when a party is using tax payers money to give to people to leave?

It's all irrelevant anyway as apart the odd pleb who want's a bit of fame on the estate no one actually supports the BNP in the real civilized adult world.

 

[bluemanc]

One in five 'would consider voting BNP' after Nick Griffin Question Time appearance

I've got my Tin Hat on so here we go.

It's quite clear that many of those who are afforded the privilege of electing the government do not have a clear understanding of the policies and ethos of those they are voting for. Some others hold irrational bias which despite their own logic they are not able to overcome.

Look back in this thread at the number of times people have said "Barroness Warsi was the stand out panelist but I couldn't possible vote conservative" Now we have the first poll in and it shows that 20% would consider voting BNP!

I strongly believe that anyone wishing to vote should first pass an exam proving they have a proper understanding of the parties and their policies. I also think that how each MP voted in every debate in parliament should be published in the run up to elections.

number of times people have said "Barroness Warsi was the stand out panelist but I couldn't possible vote conservative

That's how i feel, she may well be the best BUT only mp they have that actually gives a shit or understands the issues aired.
The rest might be as crap as Huhne & Straw,i say fuck them all off have have a goverment picked from all the parties & put the best person in each job....never gonna happen like.
ps.the beeb didn't do a good job & we need more of these programmes but better thought out.

 

[dannybcity]

The BNP’s policy is to: 2009 Manifesto Policy.

- Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally;

- Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British;

- Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate;

- Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently;

- Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases;

- Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain.

?????? very interesting.?????

If there was ever a manifesto to get us out of a recession this wouldn't be it.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

The BNP’s policy is to: 2009 Manifesto Policy.

- Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally;

- Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British;

- Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate;

- Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently;

- Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases;

- Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain.

?????? very interesting.?????

If policy number 4 includes the Royal Family,then I may consider...AAARRRRRRHHHH!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!