Nick Griffin on Question Time..

[brooklandsblue2.0]

Wow, once again the libs have gone ape at me and hurled personal insults due to my disagreeing with allowing ALL free speech, not just those who’s views I agree with or like personally. As for the accusation of me being a member of the BNP I have never heard anything so absurd in my life. I do not have a great interest in party politics; I just want everyone to be given a fair crack of the whip and a platform to discuss their views/ideas.

When I said multiculturalism has failed in this country I was getting at the fact that we have ghettoised communities where people are living below the poverty line from immigrant communities, that's hardly a utopia where we all live, work and be happy together is it? Someone else tried to say that multiculturalism has been a success because we eat Chinese/Indian food, I could counter that by saying that the 7/7 bombers were all British born and yet identified with radical Islamic beliefs and wanted to kill other brits.....but that would be short sighted.......hmmm.

 

[ono]

Why do you have to stoop this low, BB2.0 may or may not be a member of the BNP and if he is good luck to him, its his right to be such. If (as I suspect) he isn't then your accusation is childish baiting, born out of your'e mutual dislike for one another.

As for the immigration issue, can you answer me a simple question. Where can we employ and house another 9 million people (projected) between now and 2020. Much of the economic trouble we are experiencing at the moment is that there simply is now no room left at the GB Inn. Our transport infrastructure is creaking at the seams, there is an enormous shortfall in housing and in particular affordable and corporation housing, we have nearly 2.5 million jobless, 40 pupils per class is becoming the norm in our education system, the NHS can no longer afford to carry out some of the most basic functions and our public services cannot cope with the demand laid upon them. I'm not saying for a second that the blame for this can be roundly laid at the immigrants door, people are living longer and of course many people want to raise families thus naturally increasing the population of this small island.

However, if we do not curb immigration drastically then these problems are only going to get worse. I am not in any way saying close our borders, but we have to come to a point where only those with specific skills not found on our own shores should have carte blanche to settle here. This issue is no longer about race in my opinion, its simply a matter of size and our countries capacity to meet the needs of a population booming out of control. I repeat, people equal to two cities the size of Birmingham between now and 2020. Are you going to accuse me of being a member now?

To be honest, I can't take much of what BB2 says seriously and some of the things he's said on this thread are out of order and plain wrong IMO, especially the bit about multiculturalism having completely failed in this country.

However, the rest of your post is bang on the money for me and interestingly no-one has responded to it so far. If the estimates are correct, I can't honestly see how we can cope with an extra 9 million people flooding into this country over the next 10-15 years. The country is struggling like mad now so Christ knows what it will be like if those estimates prove anything like close to being correct. Are millions of jobs and houses going to magic themselves out of thin air to cater for all these extra people? Somehow I don't think so.

Immigration is good for any country, and anybody who says otherwise is being very narrow-minded but it's only good for a country if, at some point, a restriction is put on the numbers coming in. Surely we can all see that?

Yeah but that projection can be questioned given that there was a net immigration of just over 100,000 last year. Given we are in recession, and as of yet there isn't really light at the end of the tunnel, it's hard to see how a net immigration of just over 100,000 per year will equal 9m over 10-15 years? Is it not fair to say that this projection does nothing but add unnecessary fuel to the fire of the 'we're losing the country' brigade. I'm not disagreeing that immigration should be controlled, but i do think it's a fear that is widely exagerated.

 

[Nreddishblue]

Have you been walking the streets of Manchester ono, surely everyone knows who is leaving this country, and who exactly is moving IN.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU</a>

 

[tommyducks]

Have you been walking the streets of Manchester ono, surely everyone knows who is leaving this country, and who exactly is moving IN.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU</a>

WTF are you on about? Presumably you see non-white people in the street and ASSUME they are not British?

 

[ono]

Have you been walking the streets of Manchester ono, surely everyone knows who is leaving this country, and who exactly is moving IN.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU</a>

I'll have to watch that tonight. I can't access Youtube or anything remotely fun (other than here) at work.

What's the gist of it?

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Have you been walking the streets of Manchester ono, surely everyone knows who is leaving this country, and who exactly is moving IN.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU</a>

Are you seriously going to tell me that this post is not racist,or am I missing something?

 

[Nreddishblue]

You'll have to watch it and make your own mind up, it's just sort of a reply to your immigration stats and how the media is exaggerating it. I disagree with that position.

 

[brooklandsblue2.0]

Have you been walking the streets of Manchester ono, surely everyone knows who is leaving this country, and who exactly is moving IN.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU</a>

Are you seriously going to tell me that this post is not racist,or am I missing something?

IF this is fact, then I think it's very valid and also un nerving. Please tell me IF these are facts that this is all fine and dandy in your book.

 

[Anonymous]

Have you been walking the streets of Manchester ono, surely everyone knows who is leaving this country, and who exactly is moving IN.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU</a>

seems like propaganda to me.

 

[ono]

You'll have to watch it and make your own mind up, it's just sort of a reply to your immigration stats and how the media is exaggerating it. I disagree with that position.

They're not my immigration stats. They're from the home office/ONS/Government. So unless you have a more effective way of measuring immigration as they do, then i don't see how you can disagree with it.

If Net immigration has gone down from 270,000 (in 2007) to 112,00 (last year) how can it be justified that an increase of 9m in 10-15 years will take place. Given that 112,000x10 = 1.12m, i fail to see how 9m is a justified figure.