Nigel Farage

[El_george]

You can trace it back further than that. If Cameron had never agreed to a referendum in the first place then no amount of pontificating and bullshitting from Farage would've made a difference. Cameron is the one who set the ball rolling. Even Blair was wise enough to renege on a pledge to hold a referendum on EU membership.

I think it can be traced back one step further.... and Nick Clegg is really to blame. (Although how far back can one go)?

When Cameron was in government with the Lib-Dems (2010-15) they kind of kept him in check up-to-a-point. As Cameron campaigned for the 2015 GE and promised a EU referendum, I actually think he did so not expecting to win an overall majority.

The problem was, Clegg had disappointed so many people whilst sharing power most specifically reneging on the promise to not initiate tuition fees for University students.

Cameron won an outright majority. He then felt obliged to stick to his manifesto promise.

Nick Clegg buggered off to America.

 

[aguero93:20]

Looks like a nonce.

Looks?

 

[Gabriel]

I think it can be traced back one step further.... and Nick Clegg is really to blame. (Although how far back can one go)?

When Cameron was in government with the Lib-Dems (2010-15) they kind of kept him in check up-to-a-point. As Cameron campaigned for the 2015 GE and promised a EU referendum, I actually think he did so not expecting to win an overall majority.

The problem was, Clegg had disappointed people whilst sharing power most specifically reneging on the promise to not initiate tuition fees for University students.

Cameron won an outright majority. He then felt obliged to stick to his manifesto promise.

Nick Clegg buggered off to America.

The Liberal Democrats and Clegg should not be held responsible for a calamity that is entirely of the ConservatIves’ making. Cameron thought he could ‘win’ a third referendum and put all the demons to rest. He failed and knew immediately that the country was screwed. Hubris.

 

[El_george]

The Liberal Democrats and Clegg should not be held responsible for a calamity that is entirely of the ConservatIves’ making. Cameron thought he could ‘win’ a third referendum and put all the demons to rest. He failed and knew immediately that the country was screwed. Hubris.

Yes, I get what you mean. I probably shouldn't have used the word 'blame,' I was really just trying to show how sometimes there are unintended consequences in politics and in the world in general.

For example, if there hadn't been a corona virus pandemic (the true origin of which we will never really be told) Donald Trump would probably have won a second term as POTUS. Not very appealing I know, but I bet Putin would have stayed out of Ukraine if Trump were President - partly because of the old M.A.D. thing.

So in effect, one can argue that all these energy concerns now, can be traced back to China - whether by happenstance or a chemical lab experiment gone wrong. Although I'm one of those people who believes in chaos theory - which this is a possible instance of.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

The Liberal Democrats and Clegg should not be held responsible for a calamity that is entirely of the ConservatIves’ making. Cameron thought he could ‘win’ a third referendum and put all the demons to rest. He failed and knew immediately that the country was screwed. Hubris.

Clegg was central to scuppering Browns signed off plans for some new nuclear plants. His reasoning was exactly what’s wrong with uk politics in that he thought the plans should be scrapped because “they won’t be ready until 2021”. That’s turned out well………

 

[Gabriel]

Clegg was central to scuppering Browns signed off plans for some new nuclear plants. His reasoning was exactly what’s wrong with uk politics in that he thought the plans should be scrapped because “they won’t be ready until 2021”. That’s turned out well………

I only suggested that he and the Liberal Democrats shouldn’t be held responsible for Brexit, I didn’t suggest they were blameless. There‘s plenty wrong in UK politics, alas, and plenty blame to be apportioned.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Looks?

But is not limited to the same.

 

[mat]

I think it can be traced back one step further.... and Nick Clegg is really to blame. (Although how far back can one go)?

When Cameron was in government with the Lib-Dems (2010-15) they kind of kept him in check up-to-a-point. As Cameron campaigned for the 2015 GE and promised a EU referendum, I actually think he did so not expecting to win an overall majority.

The problem was, Clegg had disappointed so many people whilst sharing power most specifically reneging on the promise to not initiate tuition fees for University students.

Cameron won an outright majority. He then felt obliged to stick to his manifesto promise.

Nick Clegg buggered off to America.

Mr Clegg demanded a a first class train carriage cleared for him and his lackeys to use whilst he was deputy PM. He got one of his toadies to demand this request to the guard. The Guard refused as they were all (including Clegg) travelling on standard classtickets. As a compromise he offered to clear a standard coach but would explain on regular basis during the journey why regular passengers couldnt use the coach. He paid for a first class ticket for himself and made his lackeys slumb it with plebs.

 

[lazerblue]

I think it can be traced back one step further.... and Nick Clegg is really to blame. (Although how far back can one go)?

When Cameron was in government with the Lib-Dems (2010-15) they kind of kept him in check up-to-a-point. As Cameron campaigned for the 2015 GE and promised a EU referendum, I actually think he did so not expecting to win an overall majority.

The problem was, Clegg had disappointed so many people whilst sharing power most specifically reneging on the promise to not initiate tuition fees for University students.

Cameron won an outright majority. He then felt obliged to stick to his manifesto promise.

Nick Clegg buggered off to America.

Churchill is to blame, he started the whole brexit idea

 

[mat]

Arise Sir Nigel for services to Brexit?

Wouldn't put it past Johnson as a final act of trolling.