Nigel Farage

[ZenHalfTimeCrock]

Farage implied, again as I understand it, that the offender was an asylum seeker Muslim. That was what caused things to kick off. The accused is not an asylum seeker, he is here as a citizen. I have yet to see proof he is a Muslim. He may or may not be a terrorist. All will be revealed at his trial.

It seems to me to be possible for someone to make use of the methods described in terrorist manuals without them necessarily subscribing to that particular terrorist ideology.

For example, I might mine something like The Anarchist Cookbook, or The Management of Savagery, or Anders Breivik’s 1,518-page manifesto for tips and hints on how to commit acts of terror without myself being either an anarchist, a Salafi-Jihadist, or a far-right extremist.

In the case of this offender, we simply don’t know what went on. He may be a self-radicalised Lone Wolf jihadist, or he may not. He may, in fact, be schizophrenic or prone to some other form of derangement.

In which case, it is premature of the usual suspects (Darren Grimes, Kelvin Mackenzie and ‘Lozza’ Fox had already done so when I checked earlier on ) to assume that this vindicates the initial assumptions that were made about the identity of the perpetrator of the Southport atrocity.

Plus, it does not in any way justify what subsequently took place, namely, the besieging of a mosque and a hotel housing asylum seekers (if I remember rightly) putting those inside in fear for their lives.

So as you rightly stated, all will be revealed at the trial.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

It’s pretty shocking. We were told it wasn’t terror related, yet it turns out the attacker has been researching Al-Qaeda terrorist manuals and producing ricin…

Why on earth was this information not released earlier?

They’re saying that the attacks might not be terror related, but it’s pretty difficult to think they aren’t, based on what we are finding out.

To be fair, the post above is also correct. It wasn’t necessarily fair to label the offender as an asylum seeker muslim before the facts were out.

What my initial post was about is Farage said we want transparency and the truth. I believe we were lied to that night and they knew offender had possible links to extremism. Shortly after the killings the police were already raiding the suspects house, presumably looking for motives/causes. We were told that it wasn’t terror related despite a book on jihadis against the western world being found.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

It’s pretty shocking. We were told it wasn’t terror related, yet it turns out the attacker has been researching Al-Qaeda terrorist manuals and producing ricin…

Why on earth was this information not released earlier?

They’re saying that the attacks might not be terror related, but it’s pretty difficult to think they aren’t, based on what we are finding out.

If true then it was a well intended but naive attempt to diffuse or prevent public outrage at the time. The problem is it now leaves farage looking more credible and trustworthy than the police and govt.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

It’s pretty shocking. We were told it wasn’t terror related, yet it turns out the attacker has been researching Al-Qaeda terrorist manuals and producing ricin…

Why on earth was this information not released earlier?

They’re saying that the attacks might not be terror related, but it’s pretty difficult to think they aren’t, based on what we are finding out.

The Authorities could be trying to play down the crime so as to not stoke anymore unrest? Seems a bit foolish to me.

 

[BrianW]

As I said, terrorism is quite strictly defined in legal terms.

What we might see as terrorism based on 'common sense' doesn't make it so.

Similarly, the words 'traitor' and 'treason' are bandied about very freely; but you're only a traitor if you break the 1351 Statute, as determined by law, and it's very telling that no one has been prosecuted - let alone convicted - since the aftermath of WW2. 'Common sense' makes a piss poor lawyer.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Turns out he was right regarding the Southport killing rat. We got told it wasn’t terror related, two months down the line and it all starts to come out.

It hasn't yet been linked to the stabbings - you should read more and jump to conclusions less

 

[bluethrunthru]

Why on earth was this information not released earlier

can you explain what difference to your life this would have made were it available?

 

[TinFoilHat]

Just had his arse kicked by the speaker over the Southport case by the speaker.

He's been told to stfu to risk prejudicing the case against the killer.

 

[NPBlue]

Just had his arse kicked by the speaker over the Southport case by the speaker.

He's been told to stfu to risk prejudicing the case against the killer.

Wow. He was in the Commons?

What's up with him, did he have to sign a piece of paper so he could collect his pay?

Grifter NIge doing what grifters do.

I can't think of any other reason why he'd be there. Certainly not for his constituents, that's for sure.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Wow. He was in the Commons?

What's up with him, did he have to sign a piece of paper so he could collect his pay?

Grifter NIge doing what grifters do.

I can't think of any other reason why he'd be there. Certainly not for his constituents, that's for sure.

I don't know if he was there, but Hoyle read a long and quite direct statement before PMQs that MPs should be very careful that they didn't refer to the case details.

Tice was there and asked a question he thought was clever that Starmer killed with a two word reply.