North Stand Construction Discussion

Coatigan said:
Even then, taking that fluctuation and where costs are now, I struggle to see it going crazy, or over the 300m as some fear.

The way I see it, 65-70m for the hotel. 35-40m for the commercial block. Those two, the size and layout they are, even with the sails, is not that unreasonable. The stand is more complex and much harder to guess, say 60-65m for circa 15.5k m2, with a bit more for unknowns. Then there is the immediate city square partially open areas etc, to a 200m build cost. Then the fees, contingencies and infrastructure etc for the rest of the investment.

All obviously just my own opinion and how I see it at a very loose level. Appreciate people have different takes and experiences. Will watch with interest either way.
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The south stand extension alone was 85 million...
 
supercity88 said:
Yeah unless delays caused the price increases and Laings had a fair argument to ask for more cash. Usually you'd get some extra money as no one wants to drag anyone through the courts when there's a job to be done.
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Remember that the original John Laing were brought down by losses on the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff, before their construction side were rescued by Ray O’Rourke.
 
BringBackSwales said:
Was there ever a major building project anywhere that actually came in at a lower cost than original budget?
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Yes the recent Queensferry Crossing between Edinburgh and Fife came in considerably under budget.

Mind you that was only because most construction projects in Scotland were coming in way over budget including the Edinburgh Tram project; the Kincardine, Alloa, Stirling rail link; and the Scottish Parliament building had come in way over budget. The latter was around ten times the original estimate!

Alex Salmond was determined that the Queensferry Crossing would come in on budget such that this was set so high that it would have been by far the most expensive bridge of its type anywhere in the world. Surprise, surprise, it came in well below the budget price!
 
JGL07 said:
Yes the recent Queensferry Crossing between Edinburgh and Fife came in considerably under budget.

Mind you that was only because most construction projects in Scotland were coming in way over budget including the Edinburgh Tram project; the Kincardine, Alloa, Stirling rail link; and the Scottish Parliament building had come in way over budget. The latter was around ten times the original estimate!

Alex Salmond was determined that the Queensferry Crossing would come in on budget such that this was set so high that it would have been by far the most expensive bridge of its type anywhere in the world. Surprise, surprise, it came in well below the budget price!
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And yet people still say Salmond & Sturgeon stink to high heaven (like rotten fish in fact) to this day.


Actually, it's a fair point I suppose.
 
JGL07 said:
Yes the recent Queensferry Crossing between Edinburgh and Fife came in considerably under budget.

Mind you that was only because most construction projects in Scotland were coming in way over budget including the Edinburgh Tram project; the Kincardine, Alloa, Stirling rail link; and the Scottish Parliament building had come in way over budget. The latter was around ten times the original estimate!

Alex Salmond was determined that the Queensferry Crossing would come in on budget such that this was set so high that it would have been by far the most expensive bridge of its type anywhere in the world. Surprise, surprise, it came in well below the budget price!
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Bidding for gov contracts is an old game. Bid the price you think will win you the contract irrespective of the real costs. See Rail franchises.
 
JGL07 said:
Yes the recent Queensferry Crossing between Edinburgh and Fife came in considerably under budget.

Mind you that was only because most construction projects in Scotland were coming in way over budget including the Edinburgh Tram project; the Kincardine, Alloa, Stirling rail link; and the Scottish Parliament building had come in way over budget. The latter was around ten times the original estimate!

Alex Salmond was determined that the Queensferry Crossing would come in on budget such that this was set so high that it would have been by far the most expensive bridge of its type anywhere in the world. Surprise, surprise, it came in well below the budget price!
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How much did that leach and his side kick make out of it !!!
 
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