North Stand Construction Discussion

Jacko1956 said:
The lead town and country planner who happens to be a lady by the name of Atkinson will brief the councilors on her recommendations and provide details for any queries or objections made ! My father was a councilor just because they sit on a particular committee such as housing or planning doesn't mean they have any degree of knowledge on the subject and that l is why the town and country planner leads the meeting ! I can assure that there's not a snowball in he'll chance permission will not be granted !
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Is she fat & round?
 
Holcombe bloo said:
Maybe you could drive them the rest of the week pal? There’s quite a need for buses in and out of Manchester both rush hours.

think of it as a joint venture between city and the council. And not the first one.
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Let City focus on running a football club and the local authorities/bus operators sort out the buses.

We get this rubbish all too frequently calling on the club to buy a fleet of advanced buses needed for around 28-29 matchdays a year. They might be used for two to three hours before the match and one to two hours after.

So they would be used for 29 out of 365 days and for around 5 hours each day. That adds up to 1.65% of the time. what the hell will they do with them (and their crew) for the remaining 98.35% of the time?

It would make far more sense argue that the club strike a German-style deal with the transport operators to give any City ticket holder free transport with Greater Manchester every matchday.
 
JGL07 said:
Let City focus on running a football club and the local authorities/bus operators sort out the buses.

We get this rubbish all too frequently calling on the club to buy a fleet of advanced buses needed for around 28-29 matchdays a year. They might be used for two to three hours before the match and one to two hours after.

So they would be used for 29 out of 365 days and for around 5 hours each day. That adds up to 1.65% of the time. what the hell will they do with them (and their crew) for the remaining 98.35% of the time?

It would make far more sense argue that the club strike a German-style deal with the transport operators to give any City ticket holder free transport with Greater Manchester every matchday.
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That would be great but won’t work unfortunately. See the tram as an example of what happens with transport operators. City and oakview will need to co invest with the council or when we go to 62k even without other events on there will be chaos. At present there are barely enough car parks to cope, and they all charge a tenner, very soon that will be £20.

Also I read recently that there will be no guarantees that co op live event won’t avoid clashing with matches, though I think it will only occur 2-3 times a season, that will cause carnage.

Also we need to factor in hundreds of missing on street parking spaces from next season.
 
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To the civil engineers on here

When can we expect to start seeing a structure being built at the North stand?

Will they put a web cam up like the coop thingy?

Thanks
 
Keepingthefaithsince1976 said:
Yes I agree that's not great. Anyway the more that is known from people like your good self the more chance that change will happen.
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I’m actually very keen on using the buses, it’s just that they are not set up very well. My main point was guaranteed 45mins (car) vs maybe 90mins (bus) vs sardine can (tram) and that time makes a huge difference for night games when people have jobs. They used to have direct trams from Bury to Etihad - which we used to use - but they got ditched (except for the odd special they put on) so I’m guessing they’re going to stick with routing everyone through the gridlocked city centre for some bizarre reason.
 
Goatmeal said:
To the civil engineers on here

When can we expect to start seeing a structure being built at the North stand?

Will they put a web cam up like the coop thingy?

Thanks
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Around October we will start to see actual structure going up. There's a lot of ground works to do first - both externally and internally and the process for this has already started.
 
Holcombe bloo said:
That would be great but won’t work unfortunately. See the tram as an example of what happens with transport operators. City and oakview will need to co invest with the council or when we go to 62k even without other events on there will be chaos. At present there are barely enough car parks to cope, and they all charge a tenner, very soon that will be £20.

Also I read recently that there will be no guarantees that co op live event won’t avoid clashing with matches, though I think it will only occur 2-3 times a season, that will cause carnage.

Also we need to factor in hundreds of missing on street parking spaces from next season.
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Lets a extra 7000 will be going on match day, how many will go by taxi from the city centre?

Even 500 is a extra 100 cabs if full.

Thats alot of traffic.

I usually catch a cab about 30 min b4 ko.

Its got worse year on year.

Gonna be chaos
 
Holcombe bloo said:
That would be great but won’t work unfortunately. See the tram as an example of what happens with transport operators. City and oakview will need to co invest with the council or when we go to 62k even without other events on there will be chaos. At present there are barely enough car parks to cope, and they all charge a tenner, very soon that will be £20.

Also I read recently that there will be no guarantees that co op live event won’t avoid clashing with matches, though I think it will only occur 2-3 times a season, that will cause carnage.

Also we need to factor in hundreds of missing on street parking spaces from next season.
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Agree there needs to be a solution, however the club's sustainability strategy was a bit of a token effort and gives no confidence that it will be done, and only concentrated on travel to the City Centre. If your last train or bus home is 10.30pm there is nothing the club can/will do to help.

Looking at the 2040 transport strategy, it is planning for 50k new residents in the City Centre by that date, which includes the area around the stadium and up to the Central Park tram stop north of Oldham Road, and there a centripetal focus due to that. There are vague Tram/Rail proposals for more integrated system but based around Piccadilly station. You can spend billions on a new rail line and it will help less than 10% of the fans. The immediate solution to the imminent parking restrictions is orbital park and ride locations 4/5 miles away in different locations, but that will only mitigate the problem slightly and could be seen as shifting congestion elsewhere if big enough to have an impact, and would need 54 double-decker bus trips for just 10% of the crowd as it stands.

The problems will be upon us far quicker than any package of measures could be rolled out and it will end up in meltdown. A lot of the planning seems to assume it is people with unlimited time going to the match on their own from areas already well served with public transport, not young and old people travelling 4 to a car from areas without great links.
 
Corky said:
Agree there needs to be a solution, however the club's sustainability strategy was a bit of a token effort and gives no confidence that it will be done, and only concentrated on travel to the City Centre. If your last train or bus home is 10.30pm there is nothing the club can/will do to help.

Looking at the 2040 transport strategy, it is planning for 50k new residents in the City Centre by that date, which includes the area around the stadium and up to the Central Park tram stop north of Oldham Road, and there a centripetal focus due to that. There are vague Tram/Rail proposals for more integrated system but based around Piccadilly station. You can spend billions on a new rail line and it will help less than 10% of the fans. The immediate solution to the imminent parking restrictions is orbital park and ride locations 4/5 miles away in different locations, but that will only mitigate the problem slightly and could be seen as shifting congestion elsewhere if big enough to have an impact, and would need 54 double-decker bus trips for just 10% of the crowd as it stands.

The problems will be upon us far quicker than any package of measures could be rolled out and it will end up in meltdown. A lot of the planning seems to assume it is people with unlimited time going to the match on their own from areas already well served with public transport, not young and old people travelling 4 to a car from areas without great links.
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Remote parking hubs was partly in my thinking but also buses direct to places like bury where I live and plenty to stockport which has plenty of blues but no direct public transport link at present.

Remote ish parking hubs will happen anyway naturally as when the chaos starts, people like me will get dropped off and picked up by family/ friends/ Ubers a few hundred yards away in the thousands.

just to reiterate the buses could be used by gm transport during the week for extra rush hour capacity As a shared resource.

really metrolink need to up there game massively as buscalone won’t be enough. Minimum 3 double to ashton and 6 to town need be queued up and away from the Etihad within 15 mins off full time.
 
Holcombe bloo said:
Remote parking hubs was partly in my thinking but also buses direct to places like bury where I live and plenty to stockport which has plenty of blues but no direct public transport link at present.

Remote ish parking hubs will happen anyway naturally as when the chaos starts, people like me will get dropped off and picked up by family/ friends/ Ubers a few hundred yards away in the thousands.

just to reiterate the buses could be used by gm transport during the week for extra rush hour capacity As a shared resource.

really metrolink need to up there game massively as buscalone won’t be enough. Minimum 3 double to ashton and 6 to town need be queued up and away from the Etihad within 15 mins off full time.
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Power issues is probably why they don’t just throw more trams on. For us from Bury then the Sandhills stop might be useful when it gets built as that will be a manageable walk for most and will mean we can avoid the city centre or just run shuttle buses up ATW to Queens Road/Irish centre with a Monsall stop for the Oldham line (although I wouldn’t want to be there at night - maybe Central Park would be better). It would need a bus lane up ATW though.
 
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