North Stand expansion - seating, ticketing etc

jrb said:
The safe standing seats can’t sell out as x amount of the safe standing seats are match day seats, so there will always be seats available in the 3000 capacity safe standing section.

If 3000 safe standing Flexi-Gold season tickets were made available in advance by the club and sold out instantly, which they probably would do, the club could then sell a further 1000 Flexi-Gold season tickets, and then expand the safe standing section. But that would mean eating into another 1000 centre seats, which I don’t think the club really want to do, as they will bring more in more money than safe standing seats.
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This is the issue. We don’t actually know what there doing or how they are going to measure demand.

People who are in those seated sections infront of the standing sections probably deserve to know as well, in case they can’t or don’t want to stand
 
wearethesouthstand said:
Just to clarify there is no legal challenge to City. TUB asked a solicitor if City’s restrictions were lawful. Leigh Day said they didn’t think they were and there would be a case against club if someone raised one.

That’s different to one being raised.
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Thanks Dante. I thought the legal challenge might not have took place (but wasn't sure) and saw it as more of a challenge through the media, that can be as effective.

I saw on social media a Trades Union Blues account and in fairness, I did recognise a couple of Blues in the account pic.
 
bluesmith said:
I haven't mentioned anything about moving the family stand.

There are only 2 scenarios:

1 - The GA+ has moved or
2 - City have put out a statement which will have been signed off by some of the most important people in the club that is wrong.

1 seems more likely to me, I'll try and see if I can find out more when I'm on site next week.
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No, tbf that family stand point was more for HelloCity hence including him in.

Agree, but the statement might also just be partial. Or temporary. Doubt the build is though, hence I'm going with the drawings for the time being. Nothing outrageous in that.

The statement does also describe the location exactly where it is 'the start of the expanded section', so it doesn't even strictly tie up with itself, never mind the drawings.
 
Manchester33 said:
I dunno - there's this argument of 'can't you go 120 minutes without praying'... It usually comes from the people who can't go 120 minutes without a fag, or a pint, or a line etc...

There are plenty of places to get a beer in the stadium already - it's not an either or thing. We can have both.

Not a hill I'm going to die on - but the club allocating a tiny % of the ground to be more inclusive is a good thing IMO. Live and let live!
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Live and let live - if only! You’re right, not a hill I’m dying on but it’s a no for me on the prayer front.,
 
Tim of the Oak said:
The last lot have access to resources through the Trades Union movement, for good or bad. These resources helped to bring a challenge /threat against City over the 10 game minimum season card attendance rule. It's very loosely like Liverpool FC have a £multi-billion communications empire working for them in the form of the BBC (but on a much smaller scale). It's not for me but there will be Blues who like what they offer.
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Can you elaborate on the challenge to the 10 game attendance Tim - I hadn’t seen anything on that. Ta
 
BLUE PEANUT said:
The first image is from the planning application in 2023. Hospitality areas in purple shows tables and chairs and was probably linked to the GA+ seats originally located at the front.
The second image is from the july 2025 docs. Similar layout, but the purple area is now Cross Bar.
I suspect the club have ditched the GA+ idea (hence why nobody has been emailed about being moved) and Cross Bar will be an enhanced Bar area for a fee, but available to anyone in that level.
The GA+ seats will be moved to back of level 0 with access to city hall, removing interference with displays etc, or an empty section at the start of the second half

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I did btw yesterday moot this exact scenario in my reaponse to blueparrot. I'll dig it up at some point.

That the GA+ simply swapped with the City Hall seats. And hence those are moving, and the rest are not.

That makes far more sense than adding additional new GA+ nobody ever knew about, and relocating the current a level up disconnecting it from its bar.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
This is the issue. We don’t actually know what there doing or how they are going to measure demand.

People who are in those seated sections infront of the standing sections probably deserve to know as well, in case they can’t or don’t want to stand
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I think there will be an overlap of people standing in the normal centre seats, from the back and from the sides of the safe standing seats. It’s natural for people to want to stand up next to a safe standing section. That has already happened at the back of SSL3 without any safe standing seats in the City section. It also happened in 109 next to 110 & 111 and caused loads of problems, especially during the clampdown by Showsec, ordered by the club. I can see stewards constantly walking up and down the NSL2 steps telling people to sit down in the seated centre blocks.
 
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johnnytapia said:
Live and let live - if only! You’re right, not a hill I’m dying on but it’s a no for me on the prayer front.,
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City have been informally offering a prayer room for years. A mate was offered access to a room for praying on Level 2, by stewards, a few years back. It's not really for me but it could be more important to others.
 
Coatigan said:
Which is why I noted at the start thinking it is poorly worded and people mentioned as moved to 'accommodate the new City Hall' might actually people in those seats.

It could also potentially be that they have simply swapped the two now. The GA+ is now the top of tier one rather than additional hospitality, with thr city hall being their new dedicated bar. And the bottom of tier 2 is GA with access to the cross bar which links to others on that concourse. Would help the stand itself, but a bit shit for the City Hall.

I'm clearly not alone in being confused by the wording here btw.
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As above ^
 
jrb said:
Since the club allocated 10% of the away tickets to the youth, which is a great idea, our away support, which has always been good, has got better.

So why hasn't the club allocated a block of safe standing seats on NSL2 to the youth? 500 youth singers all together in a safe standing block on NSL3 would make a right racket.

It's obvious ideas and initiatives like that the club should be taking forward and implementing before the stand opens next year
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Agree fully with that. Seeing as the club won’t engage properly with 1894, they’re going to need to implement a proper plan as if they’re not careful we’re going to end up with a white elephant, 3,000 rail seats filled with supporters who won’t make the most of them, probably sat down.

Let’s hope they are thinking of the things 1894 would be challenging them on:

- Pricing it correctly
- Making it easy to sit with mates
- Ensuring that the process of moving isn’t a procedural nightmare
- Giving fans the right information with adequate timeframes to make decisions
- Making it attractive for the kind of demographic that will make noise
- Enabling the right type of fan to sit in areas that are optimal for creating atmosphere
- Ensuring tickets don’t end up with agencies and those who are there to take selfies rather than adding to the atmosphere

The club have had years to think of how they could make this work. If it turns into a shitshow it will be on them and them only.
 
There is a Light said:
Agree fully with that. Seeing as the club won’t engage properly with 1894, they’re going to need to implement a proper plan as if they’re not careful we’re going to end up with a white elephant, 3,000 rail seats filled with supporters who won’t make the most of them, probably sat down.

Let’s hope they are thinking of the things 1894 would be challenging them on:

- Pricing it correctly
- Making it easy to sit with mates
- Ensuring that the process of moving isn’t a procedural nightmare
- Giving fans the right information with adequate timeframes to make decisions
- Making it attractive for the kind of demographic that will make noise
- Enabling the right type of fan to sit in areas that are optimal for creating atmosphere
- Ensuring tickets don’t end up with agencies and those who are there to take selfies rather than adding to the atmosphere

The club have had years to think of how they could make this work. If it turns into a shitshow it will be on them and them only.
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I honestly think the NSL2 singing sections will mirror the SSL1 signing sections, and blocks 111 and 110. The NSL2 safe standing seats will be a mish-mash of people who want to sing all of the time, some of the time, not at all, men, women, youth, families, football tourists, hotel guests, and empty seats. ;-) I honestly think the club are happy with that outcome. Currently there’s nothing to suggest otherwise for the NSL2 safe standing sections.
 
jrb said:
I think there will be an overlap of people standing in the normal centre seats, from the back and from the sides of the safe standing seats. It’s natural for people to want to stand up next to a safe standing section. That has already happened at the back of SSL3 without any safe standing seats in the City section. It also happened in 109, next to 110 & 111, and caused loads of problems, especially during the clampdown by Showsec, ordered by the club. I can see stewards constantly walking up and down the NSL2 steps telling people to sit down in the seated centre blocks.
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I hope that happens. As you say, if you’ve got standing behind and either side of you, you’re more likely to stand up. Maybe that’s where the standing sections can influence the rest of the stand ‘stand up if you love city’..

Saying that it could go the way it has at Chelsea. They’ve got rail seating in the upper sections and there all sat down!
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
I hope that happens. As you say, if you’ve got standing behind and either side of you, you’re more likely to stand up. Maybe that’s where the standing sections can influence the rest of the stand ‘stand up if you love city’..

Saying that it could go the way it has at Chelsea. They’ve got rail seating in the upper sections and there all sat down!
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Our safe standing fans will stand in the safe standing areas. In the seated areas, if fans stand persistently, it will cause problems and issues with fans who want to sit and watch the match.

It’s impossible to have both seating arrangements side by side without it causing problems between the fans, and stewards getting involved, especially for the big games like United, Liverpool, Arsenal, etc.
 
wearethesouthstand said:
Takes two to tango though

They want to deal with Citymatters that’s their elected group
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Please don’t think I’m getting involved in any arguments, I’m just curious, it’s unfortunately part of my nature, but as City Matters is the elected group that City want to deal with, why doesn’t one of your group (or even 2/3) stand for election? As my old Dad used to say it’s easier to influence things from the inside than outside.

JMHO in Curiosity!
 
Saddleworth2 said:
You will see how far City Matters got with any 'challenge' in the minutes I posted earlier. Totally fobbed off by the club.
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Yes regarding the criteria requested but hopefully the cases by case approach will exempt those Blues who really need an exemption. Hopefully. the vast majority of season card holders who go in the expanded North Stand can make most games because we really need the atmosphere boost. Especially after the quiet crowd against Everton.
 
SSL1, 111, 110, all work because they are safe standing areas only. 109 is pretty much standing, but with fans who also want to sit and watch the match. 109 has never been designated a standing or a safe standing block by the club. Unless the club have added safe standing barriers in 109 which I don’t know about. Some of the back blocks on SSL3 have become standing blocks due to fans standing. Further down those same blocks people are sitting.
 
Eccles Blue said:
Please don’t think I’m getting involved in any arguments, I’m just curious, it’s unfortunately part of my nature, but as City Matters is the elected group that City want to deal with, why doesn’t one of your group (or even 2/3) stand for election? As my old Dad used to say it’s easier to influence things from the inside than outside.

JMHO in Curiosity!
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The club picks the final candidates from the applications, and the fans vote for them. I stand corrected if that is wrong?

There isn’t an atmosphere Rep.

The OSC Rep wasn’t voted for. (cough!)
 
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