Now all the kids have gone to bed...

I started out as big time in Hughes camp. It's getting a lot harder to defend him though. His decisions and his tactics are... questionable... at best. I'm admittedly new to the game and city(fan for two years about) ... but I see him being out coached on a regular basis. And it it's obvious to me, then I'd think it's blatantly obvious to the more seasoned football supporters and club members. Do I want to give him time? Yeah, sorta. Do I really worry what that time would do to the club? Yeah, I really do. So to answer your question... who the f#$# knows? :)
 
DalbeyINUK said:
I started out as big time in Hughes camp. It's getting a lot harder to defend him though. His decisions and his tactics are... questionable... at best. I'm admittedly new to the game and city(fan for two years about) ... but I see him being out coached on a regular basis. And it it's obvious to me, then I'd think it's blatantly obvious to the more seasoned football supporters and club members. Do I want to give him time? Yeah, sorta. Do I really worry what that time would do to the club? Yeah, I really do. So to answer your question... who the f#$# knows? :)

At least you can go the the kells (spelling?) club to drown your sorrows ;)
 
I agree with much of the above.

I tried to rise above the 'ex-rag' concerns and his style at Blackburn. I gave him a fair go. But I don't see it long term. Is he the right guy to spend all that money and start our climb to the highest level? I can't in all conscience say 'yes'.

We have a decent squad and yet the team aspect of our performances recently have ben pathetic. Worse squads are playing better than us and getting results. That can only be down to the management team.

I don't buy this 'spend, spend, spend' fetish that's so common in the Prem. If the foundations are rotten and you keep building penthouses you'll still only have a crap (and more expensive) err... house.

My biggest concern about this situation is the Arabs and their patience. They thought they'd bought the basics of a global juggernaught and all it needed was some investment. They actually have a drifting team, a manager who doesn't seem able to steer a decent course and a chief exec who keeps saying 'all will be well'.

I know they're long-term investors and sensible pragmatic guys but there must come a time when the Sheik & co ask themselves; 'Is this the right place to spend £1Bn? We've only spend £250M so far, maybe it's time to cut our losses and buy Wham instead?'
I don't think we're there yet but another half-season of this or (god forbid) relegation and they'll start to think about exit strategies.

This is the best ever chance City have had to be stella, it's all we've dreamed of for years (35+ for me).
It's just not worth the risk of cocking it all up by keeping Hughes.
Time for a 'name' manager and 6 months of re-establishing the team for next season.
 
Normally when we have gone through shit periods i have always backed the manager until he has time to stamp his authority on the side after 2-3 years and that is when he will have HIS squad. I did it with Pearce and Sven and was annoyed when both went, but there is something about Hughes that i just don't like.

I can't understand how he has taken a talented young side over that comfortably finished in the top half last season and half way through the season we are being kept out of the relegation zone by goal difference. Now i look at that and think, if he can't manage that side anything better than 17th then how the hell can he do anything else with a better side? I understand that we may have seen a dip in form for the first half but i expected us to be around 12th or 13th not 17th and i don't care if it's 3 points between 10th and 17th we are still 17th for a reason.

I don't want him here anymore not because he is an ex rag but because i don't think he is a good manager. I don't think he has the right man management skills needed at a top club, his no nonsence type man management skills are more suited to Wigan, Bolton and his old club Blackburn where that tough guy approach and old style management would be successfull, but you cannot do that when you have the players we have. Players like Robinho, Elano, Jo ect need to be loved and you need to put your arm round them like Ferguson and Wenger do with their players. We all have jobs and go to work and you know what a happy place to work in is when you have a boss or a manager who communicates with you and treats you well as you have respect for him and want to work for him. If you have a boss who is strict, a jobsworth and his man management skills are bad then you don't enjoy going to work and won't perform to you best.

Carrington last year was supposedly more laid back and relaxed and maybe the second half of the season showed that and this "Football Factory" thing he came out with in the summer where he said that training was a place to work and not have fun is taking it the complete opposite direction. It needs to be somewhere in the middle. Somewhere where you go to train but also to enjoy it, not to go and be treated like a boot camp.

Footballers are at their best when they are happy and enjoying it. I don't think with the stories i have heard and on here that training is a happy place to go some days and maybe that is the reason the results are not good on the pitch?

Going back to the point above about Pearce and Sven. Maybe i backed them because down the line i could see they had something about them that given time could produce the results we craved for or maybe it was because our resources meant we could nto get anyone better.

But now we are the supposed richest club in the world, who can afford any player and are an ambitious club. We can get better than Hughes there is no doubt about it, who wouldn't want to come and join our "project" and make a name for himself?? Gone are the days when we accepted mediocre because we could do nothing about it, now we can. Why should we accept mediocre manage like Hughes??
 
Fair points IP, but who do you suggest takes over. Who is available of course. No point naming Mourinho because he ain't coming, not now at least.
 
Ric said:
Fair points IP, but who do you suggest takes over. Who is available of course. No point naming Mourinho because he ain't coming, not now at least.

Mancini is available. Backyard is available. Zico has made himself "available".
 
Ric said:
Fair points IP, but who do you suggest takes over. Who is available of course. No point naming Mourinho because he ain't coming, not now at least.

I don't know to be honest. The manager does not have to be out of a job to be available though. We have the resources to pay compensation now just like we did with Hughes. We paid £5m for him and if we are going to spend £20m, £30m ect on players then why not spend £10m-£15m on a manager?

Ideally Mourinho would be my choice but i am realistic and think that would be a huge long shot to get him allthough i am sure he would love the challenge to take a club like us and turn is into one of the big boys, sticking his finger up at Ferguson and Chelsea on the way.

I'd prefer a English/British manager but there is not many about that are decent, the only one i would accept would be Phil Brown who has done a good job at Hull but maybe that would be a huge step up for him??

In fantasy land someone like Uwe Rosler as manager with 2 or 3 top class coaches around him would be great, we can all but dream!!

But i don't know who we would get in to replace him, there always is someone though!!
 
Phil Brown? Come on...employing these kind of managers are what gets us into the trouble in the first place. If Sparky isn't qualified to take on the job of the worlds richest club then Phil Brown sure isn't. The thing is, there's only really one man for the job now and that's Mourinho and we won't get him until they're out of the champions league. If we want him he'll come...Inter and Mourinho would be offered too much money to turn it down
 
What do people think of this theory. I have to admit, its where my thinking is going more and more at present:


Under normal circumstances I think I'd be advocating him getting at least another couple of months. However, the fact that we have a ship load of cash from January onwards is, in my eyes, not a reason to give him until then, as many say, but the reason why I would sway towards getting rid now.

I don't buy into all this, he can't spend it properly. With this sort of money then you should end up with quality, even if Frank Clark were doing the buying. By the same rule, I don't think he's done anything to prove that he deserves the best transfer market oppportunity ever given to any manager in the history of football.

Anyway, my point is this. The fact that it will be so easy to guide this club upwards from January onwards (well, in honestly, it should be easy from tomorrow onwards, given the current squad) is, for me, a reason to think that we have nothing to gain from keeping him around. We are not in a situation where we have to consider whether this might affect the ability to attract people in the future (money talks and a rational explanation for sacking him can be made anyway). People are going to be lining up to come here in the next couple of years.

I honestly think that a caretaker, whoever it might be, could easily do enough to slowly move the club up the table over the next few months. In fact, I think that they would possibly show an immediate improvement as I honestly believe that Hughes has mismanaged the squad to the point where his relationship with some of them is quite obviously affecting the spirit and resolve within the camp and therefore performances and fight on the pitch.

In my eyes, getting rid now would remove that huge negative (low moral) that seems to run through every performance at the moment. When a manager is the cause of such feeling it almost never gets turned around. It almost always irretrievable.

As for spending the money. I don't really care if he is sacked and 'the club' has to make some big signings rather than Hughes. It could be argued that they might anyway (who is targeting Kaka, Villa, etc - Hughes or 'the club'). They certainly did that with Robinho and is anyone complaining. Anyway, it would only be until the end of the season or until a manager we really want comes in later in the season.

At present I honestly believe that Hughes presence is contributing massively to the underperformance on the pitch. Both his tactical decisions and his relationship with the team. I don't think that he has some particularly huge ability in the transfer market that will allow him to get more out of the billions in January than anyone with a modicum of knowledge could anyway.

Therefore, that would be my reasons for getting rid tomorrow.

Do I think it'll happen? Not at all. I think it will take a lot more than the current dross to make the Arabs go back on their word. Which, in my view, is a shame in this case.
 

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